tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post5976997617903126415..comments2024-03-25T05:30:23.847+11:00Comments on HotWhopper: Donald Trump's push to worsen climate change will reshape the world more quicklySouhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comBlogger66125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-81050583736595450242017-06-04T14:18:39.413+10:002017-06-04T14:18:39.413+10:00Punitive sanctions are the way to got.
The United...Punitive sanctions are the way to got.<br /><br />The United States cannot be allowed to benefit from reneging on a global treaty at the expense of the other treaty members. Fossil fuels are artificially inexpensive now because of their current abundance and their costs being transferred unfairly to other parties.<br /><br />Anyway President Trump likes punitive sanctions (such as import tariffs), so he will not be in a position to complain if other's use them against the US as well.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11872802685104293884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-42111244931700936442017-06-04T14:09:28.565+10:002017-06-04T14:09:28.565+10:00Oh please, fossil fuels are subsidized as well. If...Oh please, fossil fuels are subsidized as well. If people want pure market forces to win out, they should not be hypocrites.<br /><br />Treating the planet's atmosphere as a commons will lead straight to a tragedy of the commons scenario. Fossil fuels WILL have to be rationed sooner or later - they are too valuable a resource to be squandered carelessly. Some economic pain now will lead to much less economic pain later.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11872802685104293884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-34890926269129025832017-06-04T14:00:11.839+10:002017-06-04T14:00:11.839+10:00Skeptikal.
Well I guess we need the occasional tr...Skeptikal.<br /><br />Well I guess we need the occasional troll just to remind us they are out there.<br /><br />"Trump is doing what's in the best interest of his people..."<br /><br />I beg to differ.<br /><br />President Trumps track record so far has been fairly poor, he has failed to do many of the things he "pledged" to do (what he actually pledged to do is difficult because his policies are all over the shop).<br /><br />In my opinion he is a wrecker, not a builder.<br /><br />To me his administration is de facto anyway - he got the Presidency via a technicality he did not get the popular vote. Never mind in three and a half years that can be corrected - this is one of the strengths of a democracy.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11872802685104293884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-13325004909396168402017-06-04T11:20:11.225+10:002017-06-04T11:20:11.225+10:00@ Barnard J.
I am having second thoughts. In my i...@ Barnard J.<br /><br />I am having second thoughts. In my idiolect it seems more like tyawmp but that will still work.jrkrideauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04869979887929067657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-67531611370925689932017-06-04T00:15:17.745+10:002017-06-04T00:15:17.745+10:00I find it difficult to resist a linguistic play, e...I find it difficult to resist a linguistic play, even though I share your reticence about alphabetical pudding. This one though just catches so much for so little effort... :-) Bernard J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16299073166371273808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-13619927863942154702017-06-04T00:02:47.523+10:002017-06-04T00:02:47.523+10:00if you say it quickly it basically comes out as ch...<i> if you say it quickly it basically comes out as chump...</i> <br /><br />Damn, you're right. I generally hate it when people use Cyrillic letters in a Roman alphabet context but I think I like this one.jrkrideauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04869979887929067657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-58973599542661662752017-06-03T22:31:16.699+10:002017-06-03T22:31:16.699+10:00... and it was anonymous. Even if you have identif...... and it was anonymous. Even if you have identified yourself since. Apparently the "low mental age" description stung you out of your anonymity. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-7007078883801974462017-06-03T21:13:21.274+10:002017-06-03T21:13:21.274+10:00I am not a troll
Yes, you are. Your original comm...<i>I am not a troll</i><br /><br />Yes, you are. Your original comment was devoid of any actual content and was intended solely to irritate. That is trolling, precisely. Sorry.chrisdnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-63389021151674706232017-06-03T17:01:37.239+10:002017-06-03T17:01:37.239+10:00skeptikalJune 2, 2017 at 5:19 PM
"Trump is sh...skeptikalJune 2, 2017 at 5:19 PM<br />"Trump is showing real leadership in a world where most leaders are wimps."<br /><br />Deniers are scientific ignoramuses. We have seen that over and over. But here we have a demonstration how, once they have gone into denial, they can use the same burying of their heads in the sand to deal with every aspect of life. <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVbnmEH7DQ4" rel="nofollow">Here's what Trump's "leadership" really looks like.</a>Millicentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-7680369059857140692017-06-03T16:59:35.006+10:002017-06-03T16:59:35.006+10:00Oh, it's pure speculation on my part, Sou, but...Oh, it's pure speculation on my part, Sou, but it seems that there's motivation present amongst many parties. One cannot hlep but wonder if it might go to the extend of sorting the wheat from the chaff. The advantage of doing so would be that it would reward the sector of the US that is actually at the cutting edge of mitigation, and provide the sort of incentive that might still make a substantive difference.<br /><br />Yes, I've been mulling over the issue of state borders. That would be one of the greatest hurdles. However there are probably mechanisms available to motivate putative tarrif-exempted states from allowing scamming to occur. After all, the alternative is that the world simply drops a tarrif on the whole of the US for being a non-team player, and then the whole country wears the penalty, even the folk who are vehemently opposed to the mitigation avoidance.<br /><br />The 2020 election will be interesting... If there's a Democrat win, could they easily return to the Paris Accord? If so, would the US still have to pay a penalty proportionate to the estimated damage arising from Trump's actions? And if the US continues to avoid the Accord after 2020, just how much will the rest of the world want to punish it for becoming a bad global citizen?<br /><br />One cannot help but wonder, and wonder...Bernard J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16299073166371273808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-5815945242324787372017-06-03T14:24:52.604+10:002017-06-03T14:24:52.604+10:00I didn't see anything about a carbon tariff in...I didn't see anything about a carbon tariff in that article Bernard. Did I miss it? <br /><br />(Agree, it's not impossible if the WTO can be persuaded. E.g. when there are disease outbreaks imports of produce can be allowed from some states not the affected ones, using origin certification. However it might be tricky to ensure origin for some goods, and would add costs for exporters.) Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-18704696606815076322017-06-03T13:35:22.211+10:002017-06-03T13:35:22.211+10:00"I don't think exemptions would be made o..."<i>I don't think exemptions would be made on a state by state basis. </i>"<br /><br />There are hints that it might actually be possible:<br /><br /><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jun/02/european-leaders-vow-to-keep-fighting-global-warming-despite-us-withdrawal" rel="nofollow">https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jun/02/european-leaders-vow-to-keep-fighting-global-warming-despite-us-withdrawal</a>Bernard J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16299073166371273808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-12103307425518412012017-06-03T13:30:38.163+10:002017-06-03T13:30:38.163+10:00jk, exactly - if you say it quickly it basically c...jk, exactly - if you say it quickly it basically comes out as chump...<br /><br />;-)Bernard J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16299073166371273808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-52810662565947273582017-06-03T12:44:23.554+10:002017-06-03T12:44:23.554+10:00The US Climate Alliance continues to grow. It is n...The US Climate Alliance continues to grow. It is now up to 1/3 of US GDP, includes the Republican ruled state of Massachusetts and more than 100 cities including the ten largest.<br /><br />MikeHnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-7512160075494922352017-06-03T11:15:14.017+10:002017-06-03T11:15:14.017+10:00I don't think exemptions would be made on a st...<i>I don't think exemptions would be made on a state by state basis. All that would do would ensure businesses all over the USA would export out of, say, California. There might be ways to overcome this, but it would impose costs of its own (e.g. some form of origin certification).</i><br /><br />Well I said I didn't know anything about internatioal law.:) <br /><br /><i>The first hurdle in applying an import surcharge would be persuading the WTO that a carbon tariff was legal. </i> <br /><br />Who said anything about a carbon tariff? I'm sure we could make up some reason and WTO resolutions can take a "long" time. <br /><br />You mentioned earlier the trade war with Canada(NAFTA). The trade war withrespect to NAFTA is just beginning. The perennial "Softwood Lumber" dispute is already at the live fire stage with the Canadian Gov"t currently allocating $867 million to assist the Canadian softwood lumber industry (see http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/softwood-lumber-announcement-1.4140300) <br /><br /><br />BTW the Girl Guides of Canada are boycotting the USA.jrkrideauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04869979887929067657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-31606908194531230752017-06-03T09:20:06.886+10:002017-06-03T09:20:06.886+10:00I don't think exemptions would be made on a st...I don't think exemptions would be made on a state by state basis. All that would do would ensure businesses all over the USA would export out of, say, California. There might be ways to overcome this, but it would impose costs of its own (e.g. some form of origin certification).<br /><br />The first hurdle in applying an import surcharge would be persuading the WTO that a carbon tariff was legal. That would be easier if Trump continues to dissociate the USA from the rest of the world.<br /><br />If it did ever happen, then states that support Paris would need to persuade the rest of the nation to elect a President and legislature that enthusiastically favoured and were clearly committed to slowing then stopping global warming.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-62823117062343288862017-06-03T09:12:02.874+10:002017-06-03T09:12:02.874+10:00@ Bernard J.
With the conference season in full b...@ Bernard J.<br /><br />With the conference season in full bloom my local universities probably are infiltrating recruiters into conference delegations as I type. <br /><br />Macron is definitely making an impressive start and he certainly does not appear conciliatory. jrkrideauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04869979887929067657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-59364644904542002372017-06-03T08:02:22.264+10:002017-06-03T08:02:22.264+10:00@ numerobis
While I agree with you but I am not su...@ numerobis<br />While I agree with you but I am not sure that there is nothing that prevents other countries giving preferential treatment to any US state. I cannot see how there could be any reciprocal preferential treatment but still.... <br /><br />For example, perhaps we could legislate heavy tariffs on US produce but with an exemption for states adhering to the Paris Accord? I have not the slightest clue about international law so I may be completely nuts but it might work.<br /><br />Other sovereign nations are not bound by US law.jrkrideauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04869979887929067657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-77149131728017694912017-06-03T07:47:55.276+10:002017-06-03T07:47:55.276+10:00You do realise that я is pronounced more or less l...You do realise that я is pronounced more or less like yah? Tyahump?jrkrideauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04869979887929067657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-25232918314709590822017-06-03T04:20:56.064+10:002017-06-03T04:20:56.064+10:00As the US exits the global climate accord the Cent...As the US exits the global climate accord the Central England Temperature series (CET), the oldest continuous instrument temperature series in existence, records its warmest ever spring; and UAH satellite posts the warmest non-ENSO influenced May on record.<br /><br />Oh Donald...David Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13842200092197524120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-75289896740137519732017-06-03T02:21:26.871+10:002017-06-03T02:21:26.871+10:00Why could not California create a new model of neg...<i>Why could not California create a new model of negotiation, circumvent the White House, and talk directly to the Paris parties?</i><br /><br />Part of the point of the federal government is to make sure all the states speak with a unified voice -- e pluribus unum etc etc. So there are pretty severe limits in the constitution and laws on how much entities other than the federal government can talk to other sovereign states.<br /><br />But there's still room for doing some things.numerobisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-68190477893723240372017-06-03T00:28:11.331+10:002017-06-03T00:28:11.331+10:00Macron is demonstrating a surprising degree of gen...Macron is demonstrating a surprising degree of genuine statesmanship and strength, and all the more amazing for his relative inexperience. There likely couldn't be a more stark dichotomy between two presidential neophytes even if one waited another thousand years.<br /><br />I should drop a word or two in the ear of our institution's senior administration regarding the academic migration...Bernard J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16299073166371273808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-61556368794516173632017-06-03T00:18:35.113+10:002017-06-03T00:18:35.113+10:00"Remember, if you impose a tariff on the USA,..."<i>Remember, if you impose a tariff on the USA, you also impose a tariff on California.</i>"<br /><br />Why could not California create a new model of negotiation, circumvent the White House, and talk directly to the Paris parties? They're the 6th largest economy in the world - I'm sure that the Paris accord would be able to take that into account with respect to tarrifs, if California decided that it wanted to participate in emissions curtailment.<br /><br />If such a model could work and other progressive states followed suit, the coal-fueled science denialist nonsense would soon see the recalcitrant Republican states relegated to being Third World backwaters, and the GOP potentially forever destroyed as a party that ostensibly cares about workers.<br /><br />And to be blunt, it's really only the USA and a couple of its Anglophone allies that give a shit about the States retaining any status as the world's economic and geopolitical leader. Trump's just finished pissing off continental Europe and they're going to be in no mood to indulge US petulance, even if the progressive states try to dissociate from the rot, so it's entirely up to the US to sort out its shit.<br /><br />I hope that they do it soon, because at the moment Russia and China will be awash with rivers of champagne in response to the USA committing geopolitical seppuku without the relief of even a figleaf of honor to temper the humiliation. I weep for my American friends (and the rest of the world...) who have watched in horror as their benighted fellow citizens pursue ignorant selfishness over reason, and the sooner the impeachment starts the better all 'round. Bernard J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16299073166371273808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-82933568616256604052017-06-03T00:01:53.517+10:002017-06-03T00:01:53.517+10:00Eric
I think that due to the limited range of ren...Eric<br /><br />I think that due to the limited range of renewables that we have tended to use, a 'one size fits all' sort of approach has been taken.<br /><br />Clearly an array of solar panels in a prime section of Britain's sparse countryside at our latitude and climate is not appropriate. In Australia where the sun and light levels are much better and prolonged and the population much smaller they might be worthwhile.<br /><br />In britains case tidal/wave/current would be much more appropriate as nowhere is more than 70 miles from the sea but the technology for that is lagging far behind.<br /><br />So I am cure that existing renewables can be improved, ones that lag behind such as tidal can be brought into the picture and other ones that are as yet pipe dreams -fusion? developed. <br /><br />In any case the battery technology needs to be vastly improved and this would have been a prime objective.<br /><br />Also an exciting international 'project' grabs the attention and is much more focused than thousands of uncoordinated efforts to try and squeeze a few more carbon atoms out of the system. <br /><br />if there is a practical and cost effective alternative to fossil fuel then it would die a natural death anyway wouldn't it?tonybhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08813936300438565432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-2291869785917231882017-06-02T23:56:42.303+10:002017-06-02T23:56:42.303+10:00Somewhat off-topic but France is offering asylum t...Somewhat off-topic but France is offering asylum to American climate scientists. https://theintercept.com/2017/06/01/french-president-emmanuel-macron-offers-refuge-american-climate-scientists/. <br /><br />Perhaps the great brain-drain has begun as some of the best and brightest researchers in the USA start fleeing.<br /><br />I remember reading a posting somewhere just after Trump got elected where a researcher at one of the major Québec universities was saying that they had just nabbed 4 or 5 top-notch grad students who had been intending to go the the USA. <br /><br />With the senseless cuts to US research budgets bright young researchers from the USA and around the world cannot be far behind. I'd say Trump is well on his way to devastating the currently outstanding US research community. jrkrideauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04869979887929067657noreply@blogger.com