tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post5471949068514862583..comments2024-03-25T05:30:23.847+11:00Comments on HotWhopper: Denier weirdness in Las Vegas, and WUWT wages war on clean energy in CaliforniaSouhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-28981535540178148782016-12-31T03:54:15.076+11:002016-12-31T03:54:15.076+11:00It was an off-peak time of year, there was no drou...It was an off-peak time of year, there was no drought, there were no supply disruptions for fossil or nuclear fuels.<br /><br />Enron figured out you could restrict supply by taking California plants offline for "maintenance" and then the spot price would spike. And then it could pump in power from Nevada and Oregon at hugely inflated prices and laugh all the way to the bank (but even then that wasn't enough, they felt a need to cook the books to pump the stock price even higher).<br /><br />That made it an interstate issue in the moment (albeit triggered from in-state policies). The FERC under Bush refused to even investigate.<br /><br />The lines from Nevada and Oregon weren't thick enough to bring in enough power, so there were demand reductions (industrial plants shutting down) and brownouts. The prices were unsustainable, so the utilities effectively went bankrupt. No skin off Enron's back.numerobisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-54365049735537735172016-12-31T03:05:13.845+11:002016-12-31T03:05:13.845+11:00The lack of rain in recent years dos indeed suck b...The lack of rain in recent years dos indeed suck but it is not an insurmountable problem. My point was that if Trump's followers wanted CA out of the USA (never going to happen but for the sake of argument) it would do more harm to them than to us. CA is huge and has a rich diverse economy. Housing prices are obscene but that is because of high demand thanks to the good economy and steady increase in population. CA will be just fine the next 4 years no matter what Trump and his goons get up to.coghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07986692158604407475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-83979336311906266332016-12-31T01:18:07.241+11:002016-12-31T01:18:07.241+11:00Instant Desertification Zone.
Responsible parents ...Instant Desertification Zone.<br />Responsible parents should move northeast now.cRR Kampenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07571285063752477448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-25735283739118236742016-12-31T00:23:28.796+11:002016-12-31T00:23:28.796+11:00Well whatever complexion you want to put on it, if...Well whatever complexion you want to put on it, if they are participating in the clean energy revolution, WUWT should be admitting there are benefits to clean energy rather than parroting the fossil fuel industry position.Millicentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-833918503726900672016-12-30T20:16:37.315+11:002016-12-30T20:16:37.315+11:00Yeah, if you want to be on a par with the UK you&#...Yeah, if you want to be on a par with the UK you'll need a lot more drizzle.Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02729454651003425550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-18225880866098464522016-12-30T17:41:46.414+11:002016-12-30T17:41:46.414+11:00Sou, the energy de-reg was indeed signed by a Repu...Sou, the energy de-reg was indeed signed by a Republican governor, but it was passed by a strongly Democratic legislature via the infamous "Steve Peace death march." Peace is otherwise (in)famous as the perp of the "Attack of the Killer Tomatoes" franchise. Welcome to California!<br /><br />That said, the reason the energy crisis/rip-off got so bad was because Democratic gov Davis failed to intervene until it was too late. <br /><br />IIRC there was no particular drought connection, although drought can reduce hydropower production. <br /><br />Lost Wages will be at 100% solar quite soon given the plethora of solar existing and planned nearby, with enough wind and hydro for load-balancing without having to rely much if at all on gas back-up.<br /><br />Tony is sad and funny.Steve Bloomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12943109973917998380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-841120080992600302016-12-30T17:29:55.778+11:002016-12-30T17:29:55.778+11:00Not quite enough rain of late, but unless you'...Not quite enough rain of late, but unless you're a farmer that's not really a problem. Really can't beat the climate unless you prefer the tropics or Siberia.Steve Bloomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12943109973917998380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-74588585417226162292016-12-30T17:22:36.887+11:002016-12-30T17:22:36.887+11:00Watts use of solar panels is a libertarian thing. ...Watts use of solar panels is a libertarian thing. Lots of Tea party folk do the same as they consider the power company to be a quasi-government agency. They could care less about clean energy. Averyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00058998965414037964noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-72167714344074447612016-12-30T16:28:11.076+11:002016-12-30T16:28:11.076+11:00I think that you're on to something metzo.
:-...I think that you're on to something metzo.<br /><br />:-(Bernard J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16299073166371273808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-50118566534454196052016-12-30T05:37:28.449+11:002016-12-30T05:37:28.449+11:00You must have a different definition of "good...You must have a different definition of "good weather" than the general readership here.metzomagichttp://metzomagic.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-10532664810249644972016-12-30T05:30:37.470+11:002016-12-30T05:30:37.470+11:00Nah, Bernard. That's a pretty easy one for the...Nah, Bernard. That's a pretty easy one for them to rationalise:<br /><br />"I've been forced to switch to renewables because those poxy alarmists made fossil fuels too expensive with their poxy carbon tax!".metzomagichttp://metzomagic.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-12085301684362551162016-12-30T04:44:12.312+11:002016-12-30T04:44:12.312+11:00California is geographically and economically on p...California is geographically and economically on par with the UK. We have oil and gas refineries, sea ports, good weather and produce more food than any other state. We also have a huge tech sector, are the center of the entertainment industry and send more money to the federal government than we get back. If the rest of the US expelled us from the union I think we could get along somehow.coghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07986692158604407475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-23159572821082432582016-12-30T00:10:17.285+11:002016-12-30T00:10:17.285+11:00"Just think what the NYS fracking ban has don..."Just think what the NYS fracking ban has done to real estate values"<br /><br />Fracking is generally pretty bad for residential real estate values. I guess those must not be the real estate values I'm supposed to think about...Danhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16867691959969270844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-23252673296057840722016-12-28T23:16:57.531+11:002016-12-28T23:16:57.531+11:00This is a curious situation, because I was about t...This is a curious situation, because I was about to post that global warming deniers/proponents of fossil energy should have the courage of their convictions and sign a statutary declaration that they will never avail themselves of renewable energy... unless they're prepared to accept that they'd have to pay fines comensurate with the damage that their use of fossil energy and their refutation of science has caused the planet.<br /><br />After all, to do quietly slink over to renewables at any point in the future would be rank hypocrisy, would it not?Bernard J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16299073166371273808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-91270636528241620842016-12-28T22:01:42.390+11:002016-12-28T22:01:42.390+11:00MarkG might be onto something.
As well as buildin...MarkG might be onto something.<br /><br />As well as building a wall of solar panels between the USA and Mexico as per this detailed proposal, they could also build one around parts of California. <br /><br />http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/solar-panels-us-mexico_us_5857fa6be4b0390447097e56<br /><br />MikeHnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-35520500654641839732016-12-28T18:42:37.049+11:002016-12-28T18:42:37.049+11:00Anthony Watts has solar panels. I presume he gets...Anthony Watts has solar panels. I presume he gets an exemption from accusations of "climate madness" due to his work on behalf of the fossil fuel industry.Millicentnoreply@blogger.com