tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post5186128594324812813..comments2024-03-25T05:30:23.847+11:00Comments on HotWhopper: WUWT is going through a dry patch, plus some denier and scientist weirdnessSouhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comBlogger148125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-87779748281103120802014-10-09T02:17:25.984+11:002014-10-09T02:17:25.984+11:00Sou: it shouldn't be any more work, but for ma...Sou: it shouldn't be any more work, but for many moderators, there is agonizing over whether or not to delete a post.<br />The problem is that S/N ratios can get degraded.<br />Some comment threads actually generate useful discussion worth keeping.<br />Others: well, I usually stop reading comments after I see the appearance of some commenters, since experience tells me the discussion will go downhill.<br /><br />Here's a good test: go back to a year-old discussion with many comments and ask yourself how much is useful.John Masheynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-71717010669228117862014-10-08T13:58:36.577+11:002014-10-08T13:58:36.577+11:00By the way Fourier first postulated the greenhouse...By the way Fourier first postulated the greenhouse effect in 1824, This is why he has relevance. He knew the earth should be far colder than what is it was just due to incoming radiation from the Sun.<br /><br />BertBert from Elthamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-91636071819802556642014-10-08T12:05:29.278+11:002014-10-08T12:05:29.278+11:00I have always wondered if Fourier when he measured...I have always wondered if Fourier when he measured heat flow in metal plates came up with The Fourier Series which is really just a fancy mathematical description of complex waveforms with sinusoids just like epicycles. We will never know. My humble opinion is was just a smart fellow.<br /><br />BertBert from Elthamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-85940248349210869032014-10-08T10:36:17.661+11:002014-10-08T10:36:17.661+11:00It'd be nice - though probably more work for m...It'd be nice - though probably more work for me :(<br /><br />In any case, I can't see Google ever introducing anything like that, but it is given free of charge, so I'm not complaining.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-21951886572571448862014-10-08T10:16:41.989+11:002014-10-08T10:16:41.989+11:00One more time:
The world needs blogging software w...One more time:<br />The world needs blogging software where a moderator can:<br />a) Accept as is<br />b) Delete (with code to say why)<br />c) Hide, with a reason code, either hiding in place, or moving to a shadow thread, in either case leaving commenter name, date, and reason code in place.<br /><br />If a reader wants to see a comment, they click. (That already exists in places like Amazon comments on reviews, so it is certainly possible. Fancier versions for readers could include a cookie to ignore the moderator, or not even see the headers.)<br /><br />Sou: if you'd had that intermediate Hide choice, would you have used it in this thread? And what sorts of reasons would you have chosen?<br />I conjecture that most deletes and hides would be covered by about a dozen codes.John Masheynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-16728166488568342002014-10-08T04:37:14.697+11:002014-10-08T04:37:14.697+11:00Sou, BBD's "6 lane blacktop to the subsi...Sou, BBD's "6 lane blacktop to the subsistence farm's doorstep" version of development was simply wrong, and I (rightly or wrongly) presumed deliberately so when the value of economic development of poor communities is widely known and is clearly stated in my post. <br /><br />Whether BBD is regarded a diligent researcher and an honest person does not change that. Similarly, my motivation in pointing out relevant facts does not alter those facts. <br /><br />However, having lived and travelled in developing SE Asian countries constantly for the last twenty years, I have witnessed first hand the value of economic development, and have developed certain viewpoints on what is important. <br />markehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06387629308058823374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-32895000381090851522014-10-08T03:36:19.368+11:002014-10-08T03:36:19.368+11:00Some people have great faith in technology's i...Some people have great faith in technology's inability to progress any further than they remember it as. It's time to close the Patent Office now that everything's been invented.Cugelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-25230452380701167152014-10-08T03:14:37.693+11:002014-10-08T03:14:37.693+11:00marke
Lemme just say, them's the facts boys, ...marke<br /><br /><i>Lemme just say, them's the facts boys, and good luck with those batteries, I have no doubt they will turn up eventually. The only question is when. </i><br /><br /><a href="http://www.imergypower.com/products/redox-flow-battery-technology/" rel="nofollow">They are already here</a>. As I said, self-serving lies. <br /><br />BBDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10687930416706386215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-1429324871891844102014-10-08T02:45:13.080+11:002014-10-08T02:45:13.080+11:00Marke, you gave as good as you got, probably more,...Marke, you gave as good as you got, probably more, when you said BBD's comment was "erroneous and deceptive". You'd be hard-pressed to find a more honest person or diligent researcher in the climate blogosphere.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-71363144846931295792014-10-08T01:26:59.025+11:002014-10-08T01:26:59.025+11:00Thanks Sou. I do appreciate the posting.
Of cou...Thanks Sou. I do appreciate the posting. <br /><br />Of course, I do not much appreciate Kevin and BBD's redirecting of the argument from factual discussion to deciding on my motives. I am however impressed by their ability to spout categorizations for those who would debate them. <br /><br />Lemme just say, them's the facts boys, and good luck with those batteries, I have no doubt they will turn up eventually. The only question is when. markehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06387629308058823374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-17438412547764064222014-10-07T23:41:11.549+11:002014-10-07T23:41:11.549+11:00Kevin
It is as I said: the sudden "discovery...Kevin<br /><br />It is as I said: the sudden "discovery" of concern for the bottom billion when discussing emissions abatement policy is the rankest imaginable hypocrisy. I think marke is concern trolling because he inserted the "intermittency" meme. That does not play well in the face of the rapid evolution of utility-scale battery technology and the abundance of year-round solar energy available in eg. Africa. It's just denier rhetoric and for some reason today, I have had enough of the incessant, self-serving lies spewed out by the contrarian swarm. BBDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10687930416706386215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-79965245623595133032014-10-07T23:13:39.084+11:002014-10-07T23:13:39.084+11:00Thanks, metzomagic. Ferd might not have heard of H...Thanks, metzomagic. Ferd might not have heard of HW before, but he's a minor celebrity here. I particularly like his theory about CO2 pressing on the walls of the sky :0<br /><br />I like to give people the benefit of the doubt. There are a few like ferd (and Richard) and some others who aren't satisfied with one or two comments. They have to repeat those same thoughts over and over and over again.<br /><br />It gets very tedious.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-32398649768994016302014-10-07T23:05:52.058+11:002014-10-07T23:05:52.058+11:00Sou, hi,
A bit late to the party, but I could hav...Sou, hi,<br /><br />A bit late to the party, but I could have told you from the start this would end in tears (in fact, I think I warned people about Ferd on an earlier thread here where the regulars thought he might be a poe. And I see our resident documenter, John Mashey, has Ferd pegged as well).<br /><br />The entity known as Ferd Berple has been posting on WUWT and other sites popular with contrarians for as long as I have been following the so-called AGW 'debate' - sometime in 2009 is when I became interested, I think. Coincidentally, that was just a few months before Climategate broke.<br /><br />I can tell you that Ferd is a straight up anti-science denier, with a libertarian bent that he is trying to disguise here. Move along, nothing to see.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-54536315358132189262014-10-07T21:23:48.785+11:002014-10-07T21:23:48.785+11:00On an individual basis the view espoused by marke ...On an individual basis the view espoused by marke has some merit, but when it is voiced by most pseudoskeptics it is mere rationalization. Very few of them would are clamoring for increased foreign aid, few of them are in favor of technology transfers to developing countries, most of them abhor government (hence the high correlation between pseudoskeptics and libertarian economic views).<br /><br />When the Roy Spencers of the world and his fellow Cornwall Alliance members are pushing politicians to increase foreign aid to impoverished African countries, then I might believe they're actually serious. Until then I find most people using this rationale to be arguing in bad faith.<br /><br />I don't know enough about marke to say that he is or isn't concern trolling.Kevin O'Neillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06692943768484857724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-81638037257982508982014-10-07T20:06:02.808+11:002014-10-07T20:06:02.808+11:00Hi BBD,
You perhaps miss the point. The whole ide...Hi BBD,<br /><br />You perhaps miss the point. The whole idea is to move them up from being subsistence farmers. ..“There’s never been a country that has developed with intermittent power...." ie, If we/they create a modern functioning economy, they will progress beyond subsistence.<br /><br />It is a matter of priorities. People are currently starving because of lack of development of their economies. Are their actual deaths somehow trumped by the theorized climate deaths of the future?<br /><br />On a personal note, I am somewhat annoyed by people who are quite happy to keep living their modern, airconditioned, air-travelling, car driving life while deciding amongst themselves that 3rd world countries would be far better off to try skipping development using coal fired power generation, and instead rely on the future promise of several times more expensive, untried and incomplete technologies. (While in the meantime continuing to walk miles every day to collect wood and cowdung to burn inefficiently in health threatening conditions).<br /><br />Happily, that situation may be changing as a more practical approach seems to be coming to the fore at the World Bank and among those who can have influence.<br /><br />Paul Ehrlich may have got a lot of things wrong in his timing but surely the basic principles he espoused are correct, and curbing population growth (that takes economic development and education) is the major factor in making mankind's longer term existence on this planet sustainable.<br /><br />I was a great fan of solar power, imagining us all linked in our own self sustaining grids, with little need of a central power station. But then the lack of suitable storage technology became the obvious stumbling block, and as I learnt about the basics of electrical distribution grids (the need for baseline power, and the need for dispatchable power, and the economic fact that central power station is still needed and must be paid for on top of the other newer technologies) I realized I had been sold a pup.<br /><br />[<b>Note: </b>I'm publishing this comment, which I initially removed. I'll lift any restrictions here. Anyone who wants to add their thoughts can do so. <b>Sou.</b> <i>7 Oct 2014 8:04 pm</i>]markenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-89896042361463280942014-10-07T20:02:17.680+11:002014-10-07T20:02:17.680+11:00BBD - That was me. Marke did say why he thought wh...BBD - That was me. Marke did say why he thought whatever ...I removed it because I was trying to get some sort of order back.<br /><br />I'll publish it below.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-32179796546764830412014-10-07T19:15:59.029+11:002014-10-07T19:15:59.029+11:00marke
If my comment was "erroneous and decep...marke<br /><br />If my comment was "erroneous and deceptive" then you must point out why. You didn't (because it wasn't) but chose to lie instead. <br /><br />For the record here, I find that profoundly offensive.BBDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10687930416706386215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-91252124214183926552014-10-07T16:24:07.136+11:002014-10-07T16:24:07.136+11:00Well, ferd, you've "wanted to" 25 ti...Well, ferd, you've "wanted to" 25 times so far. Some would call it thread-bombing. And you object to "censorship" when all I asked was what any blogger asks - that you stay on topic. You refused my request so I sent a stronger message.<br /><br />I notice you don't object to the much worse censorship at WUWT - talk about "singing to the choir". WUWT is one of the worst examples of "singing to the choir" there is. (And a very low brow, one might say vulgar and coarse choir too, going by the comments there the last few days.)<br /><br />Anthony bans almost everyone who prefers science to pseudoscience. He keeps a couple around so that his mob has someone to flame. He knows the lynch mob mentality well and that it needs food to thrive.<br /><br />BTW. This is typical of deniers who come here. They bomb threads with their nonsense, then fake being irate, spit the dummy and waddle off in a huff when they are simply asked to comply with the comment policy. <br /><br />Others will have noticed that I "censored" comments from regulars as well as newcomers in this thread. I try to be even-handed :)Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-19302255067785628342014-10-07T15:37:31.954+11:002014-10-07T15:37:31.954+11:00Why would I or anyone want to? selective censorsh...Why would I or anyone want to? selective censorship drives people away and you end singing to the choir. It killed RC because it is boring. one might as well have a football game and invite only one team.<br /><br />There is only one way to keep both sides talking when they don't agree. Let them talk. And the more they talk the more people you can reach. And the more more you reach, the more likely we are to reach agreement.ferdberplehttp://www.hotwopper.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-49954188634267105392014-10-07T14:58:57.377+11:002014-10-07T14:58:57.377+11:00Ha ha. Too true! That's me to a T.Ha ha. Too true! That's me to a T.markehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06387629308058823374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-71060121413395726302014-10-07T13:55:40.720+11:002014-10-07T13:55:40.720+11:00Give me the courtesy of referring to me properly, ...Give me the courtesy of referring to me properly, post on topic and I will return the courtesy by allowing your comments.<br /><br />BTW you give yourself far too much credit.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-17377293036825707202014-10-07T13:51:16.508+11:002014-10-07T13:51:16.508+11:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-91151696953572619092014-10-07T13:24:10.904+11:002014-10-07T13:24:10.904+11:00Okay. I've had to draw the line somewhere. Pro...Okay. I've had to draw the line somewhere. Probably should have done it sooner. <br /><br />It'd take several lifetimes to fix everything on the internet that you think is wrong ;(<br /><br />http://xkcd.com/386/<br />Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-4974463199647637862014-10-07T13:13:35.171+11:002014-10-07T13:13:35.171+11:00Sou, it was simply irritating to see BBD's err...Sou, it was simply irritating to see BBD's erroneous and deceptive comment stand while my simple counterpoint was deleted.<br /><br />October 7, 2014 at 1:41 AM markehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06387629308058823374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-74089170043020418892014-10-07T13:01:45.482+11:002014-10-07T13:01:45.482+11:00I don't see the relevance of your comment, mar...I don't see the relevance of your comment, marke. I've requested that comments stay on topic, that's all. There are plenty of topics to choose from at HotWhopper. <br /><br />Anyway, I hope you enjoyed your sojourn here. You are welcome back any time.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.com