tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post4890905891787568223..comments2024-03-25T05:30:23.847+11:00Comments on HotWhopper: Denier weirdness: The US President is taunting Anthony WattsSouhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-56727652719540010482014-06-19T02:31:47.138+10:002014-06-19T02:31:47.138+10:00You've prompted me to write about it :)You've prompted me to write about it :)Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-74742670237628119992014-06-18T23:51:56.774+10:002014-06-18T23:51:56.774+10:00banning people daring to contradict frontally Watt...banning people daring to contradict frontally Watts, then moaning that these people don't want to "debate" ... well, I was not surprised, and I assumed you aren't - I just reported that so that you can chuckle a bit. <br /><br />The WUWT open thread is still interesting, though (in the middle of the usual comments) : <br />- several people are asking for a "counter SKS", as they feel less efficient when engaging with someone using SkS<br />- several people are also asking for a kind of summary of "what we ["skeptics"] know"<br />Let's see if Mr Watts will go as far as implementing these suggestions - the second one should be especially interesting, seeing how they can disagree with each other ("it's the sun !" "no, the cosmic rays !" "GHG don't exist !" etc.)<br /><br />(in the paparazzi department : I didn't know that Poptech was in a full fledged war against Mosher, to the point that he got a warning from Watts himself. My oh my). <br /> bratislanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-74082598008689527722014-06-18T21:05:08.349+10:002014-06-18T21:05:08.349+10:00I missed that comment, bratisla, though I did noti...I missed that comment, bratisla, though I did notice a handful of visitors (six I believe) from WUWT yesterday. The mod is typical of WUWT disinformers:(<br /><br /><a href="http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2013/06/wuwt-policy-violation-by-clueless.html" rel="nofollow">http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2013/06/wuwt-policy-violation-by-clueless.html</a>Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-25107154401590979252014-06-18T18:30:59.506+10:002014-06-18T18:30:59.506+10:00@Ernest
I note that my "sophisticated and er...@Ernest<br /><br />I note that my "sophisticated and erudite" response (thank you) got more attention and answer from you than all the other rather longer answers that have been offered. Which reinforces my initial idea that you were not really interested in making an interesting point or discussing it.<br /><br />So, I think you are right. My response was as sophisticated and erudite as needed to match your posting.<br /> <br /><br />Jammy Dodgernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-77787677386710924642014-06-18T17:45:17.153+10:002014-06-18T17:45:17.153+10:00And yet... Note that the strongly coupled atmosphe...And yet... Note that the strongly coupled atmosphere-ocean prefiguring EN hasn't happened. Another Modoki? Another non-EN as in 2012? Still too early to say, IMO. BBDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10687930416706386215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-23497063079476738162014-06-18T17:37:36.190+10:002014-06-18T17:37:36.190+10:00sorry for off topic, but since Sou is mentioned .....sorry for off topic, but since Sou is mentioned ...<br /><br />from the latest WUWT : "Open thread – what could we do better?", a comment from Richard Mallett : <br />"When the ‘blog spawn’ like Hot Whopper make valid objections to WUWT, either engage them in debate, or admit they make some valid points. They are not always the enemy. Similarly with the CAGW advocates like Skeptical Science – don’t make fun of them, engage them in debate. Both sides (or both ends of the spectrum) can learn from each other, if they stop seeing each other as the enemy.<br /><br />[Reply: Problem is, they will not debate in a fair, moderated forum. ~mod.]"<br /><br />No further comment needed. <br /><br />bratislanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-16393571144723039092014-06-18T08:08:13.318+10:002014-06-18T08:08:13.318+10:00OT, but interesting in the light of Sou having jus...OT, but interesting in the light of Sou having just added the BOM ENSO Tracker to the right-hand column of the blog: breaking from GISS, hottest May on record:<br /><br /><a href="http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabledata_v3/GLB.Ts+dSST.txt" rel="nofollow">GISS GLOBAL Land-Ocean Temperature Index</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-51733703045416621172014-06-18T06:34:12.184+10:002014-06-18T06:34:12.184+10:00Sounds like moderation at WUWT is not there to imp...Sounds like moderation at WUWT is not there to improve the discussion in the comments, but to punish people for their behaviour elsewhere.<br /><br />Reminds one of the anecdote of a drunk that lost his key somewhere and looks for it below the street light.Victor Venemahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02842816166712285801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-69665638805684264632014-06-18T04:39:20.049+10:002014-06-18T04:39:20.049+10:00And now we have the BOM ENSOMeter! Truly we are sp...And now we have the BOM ENSOMeter! Truly we are spoiled rotten here at HW. <br /><br />Thank you, Sou!BBDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10687930416706386215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-17674014136756762322014-06-17T21:59:13.429+10:002014-06-17T21:59:13.429+10:00Pretty much the way I feel about the whole AGW den...Pretty much the way I feel about the whole AGW denier schtick, Jp. Well said.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-27324859967892440532014-06-17T07:41:07.234+10:002014-06-17T07:41:07.234+10:00"It is entirely strange that Mr Watts is bein..."It is entirely strange that Mr Watts is being attacked from both sides of the fence.<br />The Warmists believe he is evil incarnate ,with that damned most popular blog site and the Slayers believe he is a useful puppet of the militant left.<br />I am sure that no one ever started out to become a hate figure of both sides of the fence and it would be interesting to hear views on the way the politicization of the matter has effected people ,outside of the scientific view."<br /><br />That someone who promotes anti-science bs and gets so much wrong would be attacked by those who support and believe in the science is to be expected. If it was a matter of a few mistakes and if he had the integrity to admit to them and correct them, he wouldn't be the figure of derision and ridicule that he is and Sou would have to find a new hobby. <br /><br />I don't know how much evidence you have for stating that he's being attacked by some denialist faction, but if it's true that wouldn't be surprising, or strange, considering the range of positions (inconsitent with each other) in the denier camp: it's not warming, it's warming but only a little bit and nothing to worry about, it's warming but it's natural and nothing we can do about it; and withing those groups there is a large faction of conspiracy theorists _ it's a scam, a hoax, scientists are being paid to produce shonky research to support one world government... blahblahblah. It's almost inevitable that he writes something that some denier faction would disagree with.<br /><br />The one thing all deniers have in common is that there's never any evidence, direct or circumstancial, to substantiate their opinions; whether they bring up scientific points or political points (eg., climate science is well funded, therefore implying that it's been corrupted) they can never back them up with anything that resembles real science or evidence of whatever conspiracy they're alluding to. And if assertions don't have to be backed-up, well...then... there's no limit to the amount of nonsense that can be spouted. Which is why reasoning with a denier is an absolute waste of time.<br /><br />"evil incarnate" is a bit hyperbolic; "intellectually dishonest fucking idiot" will do.<br /><br />"most popular blog site". So what? And Coca cola is the most popular drink. All it proves is that the world is full of gullible, unthinking, ideologically motivated idiots as well as a lot of people who don't care about their health (a large proportion of which are poor, uneducated, uninformed) and will drink any shit.<br /><br />"politicization of the matter". There's no politicization of the science and hence no politicization from those who accept the science. The only politicization is on the science-denying, right-wing conservative side of politics; the side which funds disinformation, the side which, lacking substance, uses sophistry to defend their dumb talking points. Of course, "right-wing conservative" is a broad umbrella, and the opprobrium applies only to those who let their ideology or financial interests compromise their integrity. Conservatives like scientist Barry Bickmore in the US or Australian politician Malcom Turnbull, I respect.<br /><br />How has it affected me? It's made me more pessimistic about the fate of humanity. When I see big money and corrupt media barons with an agenda to push, how they can disinform and brainwash so many people so as to distort the political debate for their own benefits, it's hard not to be pessimistic.<br /><br />There is a real debate to be had _ the debate about the policies to tackle global warming _ but unfortunately, it's pointless having such a discussion with people who don't accept the science and therefore that we should be doing anything to mitigate the warming, let alone doing anything with any sense of urgency.Jpnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-11452256222103922492014-06-17T07:39:45.359+10:002014-06-17T07:39:45.359+10:00I'd call him a fence-sitter: he's never qu...I'd call him a fence-sitter: he's never quite sure whether to believe the globe is warming or not, whether CO2 traps heat or not, whether the seas are rising or not, whether there's scientific consensus or not ... It's a bit bewildering watching him build so many fences to sit on, when he could instead just read the research, but hey, it's a free country.numerobisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-55453080905754130132014-06-17T03:38:33.341+10:002014-06-17T03:38:33.341+10:00Please do not try to portray Watts as some sort of...Please do not try to portray Watts as some sort of centrist figure or, worse, a fence sitter who is still making up his mind. If there is a fence, Watts is on the same side of the slayers - he has put himself squarely in the denialist camp, and that doesn't change just because he and some fellow travelers don't like each other.FLwolverinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15714397414422766313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-85189391296694894372014-06-17T02:32:39.561+10:002014-06-17T02:32:39.561+10:00"It would be interesting to hear views on the..."It would be interesting to hear views on the way the politicization of the matter has effected people, outside of the scientific view."<br /><br />Isn't that exactly what the Peanut Gallery at WUWT (and the WUWT Idjit widget) demonstrate every day?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-49694035136146954442014-06-17T01:46:22.732+10:002014-06-17T01:46:22.732+10:00I doubt many people are aware of the existence of ...I doubt many people are aware of the existence of that little fence. They'd have to twist their head around so far to the right to see it they'd get a crick in their neck ;)Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-46012317866557725102014-06-17T01:46:03.415+10:002014-06-17T01:46:03.415+10:00Thank you for that sophisticated and erudite respo...Thank you for that sophisticated and erudite response.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08981995591819086349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-64552496057866100412014-06-17T01:33:18.042+10:002014-06-17T01:33:18.042+10:00No, not entirely strange at all. No, not entirely strange at all. Jammy Dodgernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-27465658459409204322014-06-17T01:01:22.602+10:002014-06-17T01:01:22.602+10:00It is entirely strange that Mr Watts is being atta...It is entirely strange that Mr Watts is being attacked from both sides of the fence.<br />The Warmists believe he is evil incarnate ,with that damned most popular blog site and the Slayers believe he is a useful puppet of the militant left.<br />I am sure that no one ever started out to become a hate figure of both sides of the fence and it would be interesting to hear views on the way the politicization of the matter has effected people ,outside of the scientific view.<br /> Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08981995591819086349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-45547384183220627192014-06-16T19:24:47.132+10:002014-06-16T19:24:47.132+10:00May I suggest e.g. http://www.wunderground.com/blo...May I suggest e.g. http://www.wunderground.com/blog/Tropicsweatherpr/comment.html?entrynum=75 ?cRR Kampenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07571285063752477448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-2505427620716784752014-06-16T09:03:37.892+10:002014-06-16T09:03:37.892+10:00I wonder if Cameron will get up on the board anyti...I wonder if Cameron will get up on the board anytime soon.<br /><br />I also wonder if they'll *ever* get over their obsession with Mann, as if he was the only climatologist in the world.numerobisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-52542338465697572932014-06-16T08:22:30.699+10:002014-06-16T08:22:30.699+10:00I am similarly conflicted. I hope there isn't ...I am similarly conflicted. I hope there isn't an official El Nino because 2014 is already on course to be the warmest year yet without an El Nino to blame for it. Without regular La Ninas the mythical Pause just gets eaten away by the trend.Cugelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-21047838896585779352014-06-16T08:13:00.158+10:002014-06-16T08:13:00.158+10:00And always gore.And always gore.Cugelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-11108291528187334642014-06-16T08:10:05.396+10:002014-06-16T08:10:05.396+10:00An odious hypocrite indeed, and stupid beyond his ...An odious hypocrite indeed, and stupid beyond his own understanding. I think he knows he's stupid which makes him feel insecure, hence the hissy-fits.<br /><br />Watching Watts trying to grasp what baselines and anomalies are - and repeatedly failing - is quite jaw-dropping. Cugelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-41489658054968840812014-06-16T06:45:43.168+10:002014-06-16T06:45:43.168+10:00There's only one thing I visit the actual WTFI...There's only one thing I visit the actual WTFIUWT site for (thanks to Sou's tireless efforts to put a buffer between rational thought and... it), and that's the ENSO Meter, far down in the right-hand column. I notice that, for the first time in years, it has crept up over the 0.5 mark. Schadenfreude is the applicable word here, and while I certainly do not rejoice in the realisation that the climate is going through some serious distress due to the unnatural anthropogenic forcings being thrust upon it, I do look forward to us leaving the freakin' faux 'pause' behind so that we can finally put some serious mitigation on the table... or not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-21690156530223361892014-06-16T06:26:46.474+10:002014-06-16T06:26:46.474+10:00And dbstealey.
The word soup doesn't seem to ...And dbstealey.<br /><br />The word soup doesn't seem to handle morphology: you see both government and governments listed. Luckily it's an english site, so the only common morphology is plural/singular.numerobisnoreply@blogger.com