tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post346057154423496115..comments2024-03-25T05:30:23.847+11:00Comments on HotWhopper: COP21 update - highlights of the final draft agreementSouhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-43368458879474462482015-12-18T06:11:16.149+11:002015-12-18T06:11:16.149+11:00What a bunch of BS. 150 years of CO2 emissions an...What a bunch of BS. 150 years of CO2 emissions and the Earth is fine.BSMeterpeggednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-35711438823610711742015-12-17T10:22:54.585+11:002015-12-17T10:22:54.585+11:00Oh, don't get me wrong CC, I think that we sho...Oh, don't get me wrong CC, I think that we should fight until the last breathe!<br /><br />My underlying point is that it is ><i>already</i> a fight, and <i><b>the sooner</b></i> we start responding the better our chances that we (as a species) come out with only black eyes and lost teeth, rather than with snapped necks...<br /><br />We need a sense of urgency that is commensurate with the seriousness of the situation. So far very few people understand the long-term consequences of our indolent laggardness.<br /><br />Every day is another where we should see a perceptable progress to cessation of emissions. Sadly, most are are ones were we see nothing at all.Bernard J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16299073166371273808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-60627456282050033412015-12-17T08:30:53.204+11:002015-12-17T08:30:53.204+11:00Bernard: all true, but giving up is not an option,...Bernard: all true, but giving up is not an option, IMO.Contrail Chooknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-43015983740356558922015-12-17T06:05:33.640+11:002015-12-17T06:05:33.640+11:00And so it continues...
Fracking under national pa...And so it continues...<br /><br /><a href="http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/dec/16/fracking-under-national-parks-approved-by-mps-amid-acrimony" rel="nofollow">Fracking under national parks approved by MPs amid acrimony</a>Millicentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-62812674898871591002015-12-16T16:29:08.932+11:002015-12-16T16:29:08.932+11:00I was involved with research into the first ab ini...I was involved with research into the first ab initio anti viral drug. It took us about twelve years and longer if you take into account all the work prior to this. Morons used to say to me what took you so long? <br />Our methodology is now used worldwide. <br /><br />The tsunami of bacterial immunity and new virii will really test our health services.<br /><br />I see that the anti vaxxers are already paying for their stupidity and ignorance. No it is their innocent children who bear the damage. <br /><br />I was born during a smallpox epidemic in Djakarta Indonesia in 1949. The doctor left the umbilical cord connected and then inoculated my leg with smallpox vaccine. Even then it was touch and go.<br />I remained connected to my mother for several hours as her immunity protected me.<br />Even then the inoculation was no real guarantee as it takes time for an immune response. They did the best for me, so I am able now to write this. Bert<br /><br />Bert from Elthamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-16809267186520542172015-12-16T15:39:00.971+11:002015-12-16T15:39:00.971+11:00Thanks for that Bernard.
Bernard I sometimes wonde...Thanks for that Bernard.<br />Bernard I sometimes wonder should we care about the denialati and the just ignorant and stubborn. Then I realize that there is no lifeboat as we are all chained to Spaceship Earth with all these very stupid people. <br /><br />Your last bracketed paragraph says it all. The dangers of misuse of antibiotics and ecosystems destruction will hurt us far more than we can imagine.<br /><br />The slow boiling in the pot has not yet happened even though the evidence is incontrovertible! BertBert from Elthamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-64938510872508579632015-12-16T14:42:29.000+11:002015-12-16T14:42:29.000+11:00Contrail Chook.
India's response to Paris wit...Contrail Chook.<br /><br />India's response to Paris with respect to their persistence with coal recalls a recent segment by Waleed Ali and Scott Stephens (<a href="http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/theminefield/climate-change/6989766" rel="nofollow">What's behind our collective failure on climate change?</a>). Aside from the fact that both Ali and Stephens have on many occasions been vigorous fluffers for the Denialati, even in recent times, and therefore lose their own moral high ground in the current discussion, they do seem to be developing a more sophisticated narrative of the issue now than in the past. I even found that much of what they said agreed with what I and others online have been saying for years.<br /><br />And Professor Robert Manne is incisive and cuts right to the chase...<br /><br />Although I was initially surprised and cautiously optimistic after the Paris result I'm every day becoming more and more pessimistic that anything substantial will be acheived before dangerous cliamte damage occurs. In particular I am convinced that at least two or three aspects of confirmation bias will operate to put a brake on action... <br /><br /><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anchoring" rel="nofollow">Anchoring</a> is likely to keep a significant proportion of both politicians and the general public (especially those who were/are starting from a denialist/conspiracy perspective) from really accepting the necessity for mitigation. This is likely to be exacerbated by the related issue of <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attentional_bias" rel="nofollow">attention bias</a> working with the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_behavior" rel="nofollow">herd behaviour</a> of the resistant cliques in government and in society in general.<br /><br />One of the most profound problems though is what many of us have been saying for years - that humans just aren't evolved to cope with the idea of spacially- and temporally-distant possibilities of danger. This is reflected in the study of cognitive biases by the concept of <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normalcy_bias" rel="nofollow">normalcy bias</a> and it's this evolutionary maladaptation that is the fundamental source of inertia that is hampering effective action.<br /><br />Some of these cognitive biases are reflected in a story yesterday on ABC radio (<a href="http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2015/s4372540.htm" rel="nofollow">Is drought the new normal for the once lush south-east of SA?</a>). Many farmers resisted the initially-reported implications of coming climate change because it conflicted with their conversativism, and now they're finally twigging to the truth of the matter but many still vote for, or otherwise support, a system that denies it. It's a story that will be writ large across the world in the coming decades, to the point that I suspect that the greatest ameliorating actions to prevent the very worst of climate change will be the involuntary consequences in decades to come of the initial damage, when societies start to wobble and previous "progress" unravels through famine, disease*, economic failure and geopolitical instability. Basically, the Four Horsemen...<br /><br />Of course that might please the Fundamentalists who believe in sky fairies, but for the rest of us and our decendants it will be hell on Earth.<br /><br /><br /><br />[*Not all disease issue of the future are likely to be related directly to the consequences of global warming. Antibiotic resistance and zoonoses spreading from human pressure on ecosystems will feature, although their impacts will likely be increased by climate change.]Bernard J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16299073166371273808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-35204306927728344602015-12-16T08:26:27.830+11:002015-12-16T08:26:27.830+11:00ROFLMAO
The environment is non-negotiable and we ...ROFLMAO<br /><br />The environment is non-negotiable and we are extremely careful about it,” Anil Swarup, the top bureaucrat in the coal ministry, told Reuters. “(But) our dependence on coal will continue. There are no other alternatives available.” <br /><br />So "the environment is non-negotiable" and "we are extremely careful" actually means "fuck it".Contrail Chooknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-74617416847705230272015-12-15T21:10:21.310+11:002015-12-15T21:10:21.310+11:00And so it begins....
India says Paris climate dea...And so it begins....<br /><br /><a href="http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/dec/14/india-says-paris-climate-deal-wont-affect-plans-to-double-coal-output" rel="nofollow">India says Paris climate deal won't affect plans to double coal output</a><br /><br />Score one for Hansen.<br /><br />Millicentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-44699097734511984712015-12-14T22:17:41.967+11:002015-12-14T22:17:41.967+11:00Stopping all CO2 emissions worldwide right now wil...Stopping all CO2 emissions worldwide right now will still have us a couple of decennia at over +1.5° C. <br />I think I will live to a year of +2, too. <br /><br />Nevertheless - there is finally a consensus; a sense of urgency is there but will need to increase, as it will due to weather events. <br /><br />On the whole I tend to side with Hansen's pessimism. Still contrary to Copenhagen, Durban et c not nothing was achieved in Paris.cRR Kampenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07571285063752477448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-78519906275368704812015-12-13T13:15:09.143+11:002015-12-13T13:15:09.143+11:00Yep. When your best efforts to hold back a tide sw...Yep. When your best efforts to hold back a tide sweeping the world consist of Ted Cruz's ridiculous dog-and-pony (no)show, or the rantings of a Lord Monckton, you're dead in the water.<br /><br />If you're reading this, Dear Denier (and we know you are) then also read the writing on the wall: you've been an idiot for long enough. Get with the program, or get out of the way.billnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-47007632118313176102015-12-13T13:11:16.486+11:002015-12-13T13:11:16.486+11:00This comment has been removed by the author.billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11655761514021780806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-75536118936047557722015-12-13T11:16:28.546+11:002015-12-13T11:16:28.546+11:00I could have missed it, but I don't know that ...I could have missed it, but I don't know that even one of their moth-eaten talking points stumbled into the spotlight even long enough to be shot down.<br /><br />I think they may simply have been ignored, utterly.Magmanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-32827750763238437162015-12-13T09:20:31.804+11:002015-12-13T09:20:31.804+11:00The fight is far from over, sure, but here's t...The fight is far from over, sure, but here's the real take away from COP21:<br /><br />*<i>Denial is Dead</i>*. <br /><br />The Zombies will still shamble around trying to suck out the brains of the slow-moving and slow-witted (and far, far too many 'ordinary' people are too intellectually lazy and/or cowardly to embrace this, the real issue of their time) but the grown-ups now own this debate.billnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-36122491435056441972015-12-13T07:04:22.831+11:002015-12-13T07:04:22.831+11:00Woo hoo! It's official! Bishop has just said t...Woo hoo! It's official! Bishop has just said that Australia will do bugger all for the next two years! Yay us!<br /><br />http://www.theguardian.com/environment/live/2015/dec/12/paris-climate-talks-francois-hollande-to-join-summit-as-final-draft-published-live#block-566c7bd9e4b0c8f491ad2a1b<br /><br />Now to wait for Hunt and Truffles to try an spin it. I'm sure Truffles will be very innovative about it.Contrail Chooknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-21113549661516855862015-12-13T05:54:17.562+11:002015-12-13T05:54:17.562+11:00That's a line that could be inserted into a re...That's a line that could be inserted into a remarkably large percentage of WUWT articles.Millicentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-25520718348244103962015-12-13T05:36:28.946+11:002015-12-13T05:36:28.946+11:00Ok, they just adopted it a few minutes ago. It'...Ok, they just adopted it a few minutes ago. It's a done deal.Contrail Chooknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-56164954185994496132015-12-13T05:24:13.514+11:002015-12-13T05:24:13.514+11:00never mind my last comment, I made a very embarras...never mind my last comment, I made a very embarrassing mistake reading some data :Paaaaahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11666181105235020296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-36358358404401783632015-12-13T05:21:35.534+11:002015-12-13T05:21:35.534+11:00This comment has been removed by the author.aaaaahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11666181105235020296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-7058598141407204842015-12-13T03:28:15.492+11:002015-12-13T03:28:15.492+11:00That the agreement is legally binding concerns me ...That the agreement is legally binding concerns me for the fact that it now has to make it through our beloved Republican US Congress. Still, it is heartening that pretty much the entirety of world leaders are unanimous that AGW is a problem and something must be done.Brandon R. Gateshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17031044715994785956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-27239448590528149172015-12-13T02:51:04.214+11:002015-12-13T02:51:04.214+11:00I wonder how long it will take for a comparison to...I wonder how long it will take for a comparison to be made with <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FO725Hbzfls" rel="nofollow">another piece of paper</a>?Millicentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-20493455142552352762015-12-13T02:08:11.833+11:002015-12-13T02:08:11.833+11:00Bother. I was trying to reply to Millicent there.Bother. I was trying to reply to Millicent there.Contrail Chooknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-67178157226822978832015-12-13T02:06:19.389+11:002015-12-13T02:06:19.389+11:00I'm keen to see how Hunt and Bishop and Truffl...I'm keen to see how Hunt and Bishop and Truffles will try to spin it when they come home (wagging their tails behind them). I expect lots of shit-eating grins and much mellifluousness.Contrail Chooknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-11173349717275318302015-12-13T01:56:37.276+11:002015-12-13T01:56:37.276+11:00Final plenary had just been delayed for two hours....Final plenary had just been delayed for two hours. Somebody must be doing a bit of dummy spitting.Contrail Chooknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-12981134800728511332015-12-13T01:48:55.591+11:002015-12-13T01:48:55.591+11:00I don't see how 1.5 C is possible. Were alread...I don't see how 1.5 C is possible. Were already at about 1 C, and there's another 0.5 C or so baked in as the system comes into equilibrium (see e.g., Meehl et al. 2005).Raymond Arritthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04648714314250278353noreply@blogger.com