tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post3305295284812164790..comments2024-03-25T05:30:23.847+11:00Comments on HotWhopper: Tim Ball is conspiratorially lost in the blizzards of 2015 and 2016Souhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-17653848843505293502016-02-02T21:15:47.008+11:002016-02-02T21:15:47.008+11:00Even deniers are starting to realize they need bet...Even deniers are starting to realize they need better deniers. Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09537772941984056434noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-6224602722992113802016-02-02T19:37:56.282+11:002016-02-02T19:37:56.282+11:00Oh, dear - well I don't want to deprive Ball t...Oh, dear - well I don't want to deprive Ball the honour of recognising his authorship. I've apologised and noted correct attribution.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17614652735774985250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-44927093752342054132016-02-02T19:24:32.849+11:002016-02-02T19:24:32.849+11:00@ Cugel,
That genuinely made me laugh out load@ Cugel, <br /><br />That genuinely made me laugh out loadTadaaahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07736188830660481871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-55393095349256364142016-02-02T12:40:54.389+11:002016-02-02T12:40:54.389+11:00That they keep finding sharks to jump is yet more ...That they keep finding sharks to jump is yet more "proof" that there's nuffin' to worry about.Brandon R. Gateshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17031044715994785956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-24413144899012819982016-02-02T12:38:37.076+11:002016-02-02T12:38:37.076+11:00Might just be worth rearranging the deck chairs fo...Might just be worth rearranging the deck chairs for optimal viewing.Brandon R. Gateshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17031044715994785956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-82198989869023223312016-02-02T11:50:43.300+11:002016-02-02T11:50:43.300+11:00If and when it does kick off expect Chris Monckton...If and when it does kick off expect Chris Monckton to be in the thick of it. A cage-fight between him and PopTech would be epic entertainment. Cugelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-79737202349961919012016-02-02T11:19:51.103+11:002016-02-02T11:19:51.103+11:00Popcorn futures may be looking up. I just hope tha...Popcorn futures may be looking up. I just hope that translates into pre-popped corn futures looking down. I have my doubts.Brandon R. Gateshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17031044715994785956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-61229425793064149162016-02-02T11:15:45.768+11:002016-02-02T11:15:45.768+11:00I saw that, Tony. You wrote "Tisdale" i...I saw that, Tony. You wrote "Tisdale" instead of "Ball" however, so obviously your argument fails. :)Brandon R. Gateshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17031044715994785956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-14817529079639327622016-02-02T11:12:54.280+11:002016-02-02T11:12:54.280+11:00Thanks, metzomagic. As if on cue:
--------------...Thanks, metzomagic. As if on cue:<br /><br /><i>---------------<br /><br />dbstealey<br />January 31, 2016 at 9:58 pm<br /><br />Trev,<br /><br />Surface station thermometers are anywhere from ±1ºC to >5ºC out of tolerance:<br /><br />http://archive.today/rHq08/201d9aa470ca9177d07f256fb571e22135830ebf.jpg<br /><br />Satellite measurements are the GOLD STANDARD. [1] Land-based measurements don’t come close. <br /><br />---------------</i><br /><br />Reason weeps.<br /><br />===============<br /><br />[1] Except for sea level, ice mass, precipitable water vapour and energy flux estimates.Brandon R. Gateshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17031044715994785956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-65860999736728417402016-02-02T09:26:32.720+11:002016-02-02T09:26:32.720+11:00Translation: We here at WUWT know of only two rele...<i>Translation: We here at WUWT know of only two relevant time scales, a bazillion years ago until the end of the Little Ice Age, and the past 18 years.</i><br /><br />Ha ha. Well put, Brandon ;-)metzomagichttp://metzomagic.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-48231104704054793372016-02-02T08:55:56.622+11:002016-02-02T08:55:56.622+11:00Brandon:
Yep - "dog" and "with tai...Brandon:<br /><br />Yep - "dog" and "with tail between legs hiding" come to mind.<br /><br />I've added a correction to his "meteorologically, the IPCC claim" bollocks just after your last post.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17614652735774985250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-66499840474525025342016-02-02T08:49:29.399+11:002016-02-02T08:49:29.399+11:00If you follow conspiracy theories, they eventually...If you follow conspiracy theories, they eventually tend to descend into this infighting <br /><br />First the "lurkers" begin to realise it is all crap and drift off <br /><br />the committed get increasingly frustrated that they are getting nowhere i.e. the data/facts increasingly fail to move them forward <br /><br />This bring tensions within the movement as the more Looney element start going completely off message and off the loonometer <br /><br />Luckily we can expect more of this as reality starts to biteTadaaahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07736188830660481871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-81607698086079952612016-02-02T07:50:11.395+11:002016-02-02T07:50:11.395+11:00Its must be hard for Ball to fact check when he...Its must be hard for Ball to fact check when he's <a href="http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2015/07/silhouettes-of-climate-science-deniers.html" rel="nofollow">hiding from the black IPCC helicopters in his Rambo style hideout deep in the woods</a>. The Wifi connection is probably terrible, typing by candlelight strains his eyes, and he's gotta complete the article before the batteries on the laptop run down.Millicentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-16305400682419126532016-02-02T06:15:39.379+11:002016-02-02T06:15:39.379+11:00There are quite a few more, but this is the last b...There are quite a few more, but this is the last batch, I promise. <br /><br /><i>---------------<br /><br />b fagan<br />January 31, 2016 at 10:20 pm<br /><br />So Ball takes a Slate article from this year’s storm. (One that dropped 33 inches of snow on one of my siblings’ house in NE New Jersey, and 27 inches on another in Brooklyn, and over 40 inches )<br /><br />Then, under his aptly titled section “The Basis for the Hype” he links to a CBC.CA article from January 2015 – talking about a different storm where the weather forecasting wasn’t accurate like this one was.<br /><br />Then he jumps back in time (and out of context) to a 2008 New Scientist story that talks about regional -climate- predictions, not -weather- predictions.<br /><br />Then he mixes up Nor’easter and Alberta Clipper – two entirely different weather phenomena (they both have Wikipedia articles, and Nor’easters are not the ones that start near the Rockies).<br /><br />All to claim a big storm wasn’t a big storm? Not sure what he’s trying to say here.<br /><br />“Winter Storm Jonas: Fourth Strongest Nor’easter since 1950”<br />http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/comment.html?entrynum=3235<br /><br />b fagan<br />January 31, 2016 at 10:42 pm<br /><br />to complete one sentence: “over 40 inches of snow in West Virginia.” http://wvmetronews.com/2016/01/25/berkeley-county-community-heads-list-of-snowfall-totals/<br /><br />Ric Werme<br />February 1, 2016 at 4:39 am<br /><br />This isn’t the first WUWT post to have a big mistake, it won’t be the last. WUWT policy has been to leave the post up, possibly with a disclaimer, instead of making it disappear like some lesser sites do. One my posts leaped to a bogus conclusion because I hadn’t consider there might be a time of observation issue. One frequent poster posted a few major errors but refused to acknowledge he might be wrong (he has his own blog now).<br /><br />I’m a bit disappointed Dr. Ball hasn’t been by to comment, I’ll warn Anthony this post needs attention.<br /><br />---------------</i><br /><br />As Dr. Curry might say .... "interesting".Brandon R. Gateshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17031044715994785956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-15241629102492111152016-02-02T06:13:12.591+11:002016-02-02T06:13:12.591+11:00More WUWT critiques, a bit more strident:
-------...More WUWT critiques, a bit more strident:<br /><br /><i>---------------<br /><br />Bear<br />January 31, 2016 at 6:53 pm<br /><br />I think this post should be redacted until the factual errors are corrected: e.g. connecting this storm to Alberta Clippers, apparent confusion of a 2015 and the 2016 storm, incorrect snow amounts.<br /><br />An Alberta clipper (also known as a Canadian Clipper) is a fast moving low pressure area which generally affects the central provinces of Canada and parts of the Upper Midwest and Great Lakes regions of the United States, precipitating a sudden temperature drop and sharp winds.<br /><br />This storm came out of the south and reformed off of the coast and had little or no effect on the area identified in the definition. That southern path is common in my experience for heavy snows that have hit the mid Atlantic. Alberta Clippers tend to bring cold but dump their snow in the Appalachians before they get to the DC area.<br /><br />---------------<br /><br />James in Philly<br />January 31, 2016 at 8:33 pm<br /><br />I wonder where this quote came from:<br /><br />“While Philadelphia, New York and New Jersey had braced for 30 to 60 centimetres of snow, they got far less than that. New York City received about 20 centimetres, Philadelphia a mere 2.5 centimetres or so. New Jersey got up to 20 centimeters.”<br /><br />I live just outside of Philadelphia and we got a little over 20 inches of snow. That would add up to a mere 50 cm from my back of the envelope calculation. C’mon. Let’s get the facts right.<br /><br />Bill 2<br />January 31, 2016 at 8:56 pm<br /><br />Tim quoted an article from over a year ago. It’s bizarre.<br /><br />---------------</i>Brandon R. Gateshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17031044715994785956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-88432720189098745362016-02-02T06:08:10.577+11:002016-02-02T06:08:10.577+11:00Update: credit where credit is due, a number of WU...Update: credit where credit is due, a number of WUWT regulars (plus some I don't recognize as such) are calling out Dr. Ball for his misleading statements and sloppy mistakes.<br /><br /><i>---------------<br /><br />Ric Werme<br />January 31, 2016 at 2:15 pm<br /><br />[Ball] "The storm of 2016 was a standard “Nor’easter”. They are so normal that there is a separate entry in Wikipedia. These storms develop as low-pressure systems along the Polar Front, the boundary between the cold polar air and the warmer subtropical air. They begin in the lee of the Rocky Mountains and are often called Alberta or Canadian Clippers. In the interior of the continent, the circulation brings moisture from the Gulf of Mexico to create legendary blizzards. When the Cold Front pushes toward the Atlantic coast, it tends to run parallel to the coast and the low-pressure system circulation means moisture is picked up from the Atlantic Ocean, and the prevailing northeast winds provide both the name “nor’easter” and the heavy snow conditions."<br /><br />There’s a lot to critique in here. Most doesn’t matter all that much to a lot of people, but it’s all important to us New England snow freaks.<br /><br />First, the recent storm was not an Alberta Clipper. It came ashore in California and trekked across the country. I’m not sure what it brought to the Gulf states, perhaps someone has the time to fill that in. These southern storms pick up a lot of Gulf moisture and with the storm track south, there’s cold air to the north, and after making the transition to a coastal storm they can clobber the mid-Atlantic states.<br /><br />The blizzard that hit at the end of the Copenhagen CoP that forced President Obama to bail a day early may have been one of these, the 1993 “Storm of the Century” formed in the western Gulf of Mexico and spun up quickly there.<br /><br />Alberta Clippers start out moisture starved, travel across the northern US, transfer their energy to the coast around southern New England and may “bomb out” in the Gulf of Maine. They generally bring me just a few inches of nuisance snow.<br /><br />The best storms for me generally bring rain to Boston. They come up the coast, but come inland west of Boston and east of me. However, they miss out on some of the moisture feed off the Atlantic and it turns out the biggest snow storms here are smaller than the NWS records in Portland ME, Boston MA, Worcester, MA, and Hartford CT. We just keep the snow longer than they do.<br /><br />Here are some good notes on the 1993 storm – http://www.srh.noaa.gov/tlh/?n=march1993_superstorm<br /><br />---------------<br /><br />Peter Morris<br />January 31, 2016 at 2:51 pm<br /><br />Dr. Ball you need to fix your reporting. The blizzard might have been overhyped but your completely wrong (not inaccurate, wrong) figures for the snowfall totals make you look like a raving lunatic.<br /><br />I’ve been lurking here for a long time, and this is my first post, mainly because I believe the truth is much more important than anything else. Don’t drag this website down with this garbage.<br /><br />Phil.<br />January 31, 2016 at 7:53 pm<br /><br />Agreed, in the Philadelphia/NJ region the forecast was spot on, slightly underestimated NYC but as typical for such storms in this region the northern boundary can be quite sharp and a few miles variation can make a large difference.<br /><br />I was expecting 20″+ and we got ~23″, I had to dig the most snow from my driveway in the 30 years I’ve lived here. The strong winds (also accurately predicted) caused some drifting, the bottom of the drive was 30″+ deep. We were lucky that the storm hit over the weekend allowing the snow clearance crews to do a great job in clearing the roads. Should the forecasts for this week be as accurate we’ll see the mid 60s on wednesday (not a record but 15ºF above average).<br /><br />---------------</i><br /><br />Brandon R. Gateshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17031044715994785956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-17750397221885794702016-02-02T04:38:05.338+11:002016-02-02T04:38:05.338+11:00Predictably, Tim Ball's conspiratorial nuttine...Predictably, Tim Ball's conspiratorial nuttiness only worsens as he ages. As for why his posts still appear...<br /><br />"Hee hee," snickers Anthony Watts. "Those alarmists keep saying WUWT has hit rock bottom. Wrong again, warmists, wrong again."Magmanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-15148671512919732582016-02-02T00:38:22.063+11:002016-02-02T00:38:22.063+11:00Watts, has only got one Ball.
The other, is in Lor...Watts, has only got one Ball.<br />The other, is in Lord Monckton's Hall<br /><br />...Ceisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12831378692022001009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-3870356694941746742016-02-02T00:32:00.248+11:002016-02-02T00:32:00.248+11:00This comment has been removed by the author.Ceisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12831378692022001009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-83370576171084461962016-02-01T21:29:11.058+11:002016-02-01T21:29:11.058+11:00Tim Ball is thrilled that he has had an entire thr...Tim Ball is thrilled that he has had an entire thread on <b>Hot Whopper</b> devoted to his spectacular stupidity because the essence of his spectacularity is celebrated by the deniers. PGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10807913317731807617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-14128663274971138942016-02-01T19:27:04.773+11:002016-02-01T19:27:04.773+11:00During lucid episodes, hypnosis is apparently indi...During lucid episodes, hypnosis is apparently indicated.Brandon R. Gateshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17031044715994785956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-87748883205856324252016-02-01T18:56:14.166+11:002016-02-01T18:56:14.166+11:00And quoted a slab of text from an article on CBC N...<i>And quoted a slab of text from an article on CBC News published on Jan 28, 2015. (Can someone tell Tim what year this is?)</i><br /><br />Why ... yes:<br /><br /><i>Stephen Wilde<br />January 31, 2016 at 12:25 pm<br /><br />Some of that material relates to a storm forecast in early 2015, not 2016.<br /><br />Tim should consider whether that should be made clearer.</i><br /><br />No response as yet. This gave me a chuckle:<br /><br /><i>Barry<br />January 31, 2016 at 5:37 pm<br /><br />The snow data were “adjusted”, just like global temperature data. As Dr. Ball says, the models were all wrong and there was hardly any snowfall at all.<br /><br />Menicholas<br />January 31, 2016 at 5:46 pm<br /><br />/sarc?</i><br /><br />This was an absolute gem:<br /><br /><i>Ball: It is nice to learn that NOAA has records covering the entire multi-billion-year history of the region as the word “ever” indicates. Maybe they could use these to put their claims about the record warm in 2015 in perspective.</i><br /><br />Translation: We here at WUWT know of only two relevant time scales, a bazillion years ago until the end of the Little Ice Age, and the past 18 years.Brandon R. Gateshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17031044715994785956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-91347443093431428162016-02-01T18:50:15.493+11:002016-02-01T18:50:15.493+11:00Poor Tim Ball thinks that any evidence that comput...Poor Tim Ball thinks that any evidence that computer modelling can be accurate must be denied. Silly man: hasn't he forgotten that at WUWT they practice recurring amnesia so they can immediately forget any such evidence.Millicentnoreply@blogger.com