tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post3095816319310354533..comments2024-03-25T05:30:23.847+11:00Comments on HotWhopper: What denier blogs won't talk about - California firesSouhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comBlogger41125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-83594391888486247672015-09-23T05:40:24.347+10:002015-09-23T05:40:24.347+10:00And were there fires before vascular plants coloni...And were there fires before vascular plants colonized the land or when atmospheric oxygen levels were less than 10%?<br /><br />That talking point doesn't get any less ignorant with repetition.Magmanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-74762301183966321762015-09-23T05:23:27.053+10:002015-09-23T05:23:27.053+10:00The climate has always changed and there have alwa...The climate has always changed and there have always been droughts and fires and there always will be. Time will tell whether it is AGW.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-45452637430806357112015-09-20T10:23:10.506+10:002015-09-20T10:23:10.506+10:00Do they have anything like fire survival plans in ...Do they have anything like fire survival plans in California or elsewhere in the US? <br /><br />I've noticed in other years that the response of US residents and police _seems_ very different to the way we do things here. But that could just be the way things are reported. <br /><br />When fires occur here, a lot of reporting is about the unprepared people who didn't think the fire over the hill would get to them as quickly as it obviously did. Along with all the mad people "protecting" their homes by spraying with a garden hose while dressed in shorts with thongs/sandals on their feet. You'd think no one anywhere had ever heard of a Bushfire Survival Plan if you relied on dramatic tv reports in Australia. So I presume there may well be plenty of sensible Americans who do use something like a BFP but they don't get reported. adeladynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-43076084166857670792015-09-20T04:07:26.959+10:002015-09-20T04:07:26.959+10:00It's not panic, but it does represent many liv...It's not panic, but it does represent many lives ruined and billions lost. I suggest you look into the connection between drought, fires and climate change, because it sounds like you're pretty clueless. <br /><br />It's also not "forested areas" that are burning now. It's neighborhoods and city buildings which are not in the forest. <br /><br />The Australia fires are also connected to climate change, whether you believe it or not. It will happen again. And again. And eventually, even dunderheads will have to admit that something isn't quite right, the normal patterns of precipitation are all wacked up. Or maybe you could just go join one of those denier groups and sing "la la la" while everything goes black. If you shout long "it's not real" long enough, you might actually convince yourself it's not true.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-33747071576596576372015-09-18T04:52:26.105+10:002015-09-18T04:52:26.105+10:00This panic is silly. There is drought and the for...This panic is silly. There is drought and the forests burn off as they should as part of the cycle. Perhaps more noticeable as the population expands into forested areas. Same thing happened in Australia in 2010-2014.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-86351365519455518082015-09-17T22:17:50.005+10:002015-09-17T22:17:50.005+10:00And the airborne evangelist??
My apologies to the...And the airborne evangelist??<br /><br />My apologies to the author: he's Gareth Renowden, not Gavin.Sandranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-53141353922062409512015-09-17T20:03:02.256+10:002015-09-17T20:03:02.256+10:00I read it and thoroughly enjoyed it. I'm hopin...I read it and thoroughly enjoyed it. I'm hoping he writes another book.<br /><br />Could the CBD burn? People may find out later this century.<br /><br />His portrayal of the isolated communities of deniers seemed quite realistic. I can imagine them worshipping Fred Singer as some sort of god figure, while shifting to higher ground to escape the rising seas.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-34437239381996964222015-09-17T17:42:40.005+10:002015-09-17T17:42:40.005+10:00Have people here read Gavin Renowden's climate...Have people here read Gavin Renowden's climate fiction book "The Aviator" ( http://hot-topic.co.nz/ )? Part of the story involves searching for a couple of people among thousands displaced by fires that utterly destroy Melbourne. I thoroughly enjoyed the book, but that section was very tough reading after Black Saturday. I don't know how realistic it is: could wildfires generate enough heat to destroy the CBD of a major city? Sandranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-29002685615419749182015-09-17T17:13:53.613+10:002015-09-17T17:13:53.613+10:00Here's a new take for a Republican who doesn&#...Here's a new take for a Republican who doesn't want to sound pig ignorant of the science but still wants to be a fossil fuel industry puppet.<br /><br /><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carly_Fiorina#Climate_change" rel="nofollow">On April 4, 2015, Fiorina spoke out about climate change in her home state of California as well as how the state has fared in the 2012–15 North American drought, stating that "liberal environmentalists" have brought what she described as a "tragedy" and that California is an example of "liberals being willing to sacrifice other people's lives and livelihoods at the altar of their ideology"</a>Millicentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-87248824897757996982015-09-17T07:50:14.179+10:002015-09-17T07:50:14.179+10:00TBH though, conflict of interest to report. Seafoo...TBH though, conflict of interest to report. Seafood is my fav food group. Oh well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-78331712130148258262015-09-17T07:47:04.726+10:002015-09-17T07:47:04.726+10:00On a related note, and what better place for it. T...On a related note, and what better place for it. The good news today is that we've managed to deplenish ocean fish stocks by about 49% since 1970. Another great win for humanity. Go humans, go. Make yourself extinct so nature can just get on with it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-43100432187525204872015-09-17T06:05:08.494+10:002015-09-17T06:05:08.494+10:00I think it is difficult for the deniers to deny th...I think it is difficult for the deniers to deny that we won't see more cases of global warming affecting drought and wildfires. By definition higher temperatures on average will lead to drier conditions. So the next time California goes through an extended drought it will probably be worse than this one.Josephnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-33054089128635602412015-09-17T02:06:22.763+10:002015-09-17T02:06:22.763+10:00I've worked on the overhead teams on a number ...I've worked on the overhead teams on a number of large fires and am familiar with the number of personnel and equipment that these requires. You work 21 days straight on big fires, not sure if that is still the required number, but it was then. 18 - 20 hours a day are not uncommon. Sleeping in tents among thousands of people also lying on the ground, it's very noisy usually, so earplugs required. You do eat good once they get the catering trucks and mess tents set up, but you are always very tired and worn out.<br /><br />I can only imagine what this fire season has been like, the worst in America's history, but there is repeat of this going on in Russia right now. <br /><br />My own long-term projection is "more and worse" when it comes to fuels, burning, carbon loading in the atmosphere and the destruction of homes, lives and property.<br /><br />If you pay attention here to what Kevin Anderson is saying, the 4C -6C "real projections" by 2100 means fires beyond anything we can really even imagine.<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=661&v=ZF1zNpzf8RM<br /><br />I live in very heavily forested mountains and its been pretty bad this year, with the future looking a lot worse imo. I see no way to a return to the normal precipitation patterns now (you can't replace the missing ice and restore the jet stream).<br /><br />America's forests are going to burn, this is just the start of what is going to be hell on earth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-90506433805958792572015-09-16T20:30:25.491+10:002015-09-16T20:30:25.491+10:00Or (to reuse another tired denier meme) ash is pla...Or (to reuse another tired denier meme) ash is plant food, therefore wildfires are a good thing.Millicentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-28837896359537721842015-09-16T20:22:07.105+10:002015-09-16T20:22:07.105+10:00I am quite surprised WUWT has chosen the strategy ...I am quite surprised WUWT has chosen the strategy of ignoring the drought. That sort of says they are acknowledging it is something to do with climate change.<br /><br />Why do they not just come out as usual and deny climate change has anything to do with it? <br /><br />You know the sort of thing - "Drought has always occurred", "The Central England Drought Record was worse than this", "Precipitation gauges are subject to the RPI (Rural Parched Island) effect. That sort of thing.Jammy Dodgerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08360437479098314946noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-44883910075853794092015-09-16T20:21:26.779+10:002015-09-16T20:21:26.779+10:00IDZ, Instant Desertification Zone.
The Cali fores...IDZ, Instant Desertification Zone. <br />The Cali forests won't grow back. <br /><br />Presently the fires are still far too small. Y'all know why.<br />cRR Kampenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07571285063752477448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-65209913278427000672015-09-16T13:38:31.991+10:002015-09-16T13:38:31.991+10:00So to review, natural fires in Canada that didn...So to review, natural fires in Canada that didn't impact anyone. While we are here, lets shut down the tar sands. Richard Tetenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-81771329846274202172015-09-16T10:54:38.658+10:002015-09-16T10:54:38.658+10:00Totally agree! My god, that was terrifying just t...Totally agree! My god, that was terrifying just to watch.FLwolverinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15714397414422766313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-38566038008456340512015-09-16T09:34:30.491+10:002015-09-16T09:34:30.491+10:00True but there were a lot of firefighters out ther...True but there were a lot of firefighters out there and a fair number of evacuations, at least in Saskatchewan. And was not Kamloops holding its regular, yearly marshmallow roast? Only bigger and better.<br /><br />Luckily population density is so low that the actual numbers of evacuees was fairly small.<br /><br />It has taken us decades to realise that we don't need to fight every fire but it looks like people are finally catching on. Still does not one have to keep an eye on them and occassionaly contain them?<br /><br />I was out cycling east of Kingston just in time to see buses from CFB Kingston heading out, presumably heading for the Ottawa Airport. <br /><br />What really got me was the haze in Vancouver. I thought it rained there twice a day and three times on Sundays. I didn't think serious fires were allowed on the West side of the mountains.<br />jrkrideauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04869979887929067657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-26657840760654784472015-09-16T07:50:40.846+10:002015-09-16T07:50:40.846+10:00If the person Escaping Anderson Springs during Val...If the person <b>Escaping Anderson Springs during Valley Fire </b> was a resident and not a firefighter he definitely qualifies for honourable mention in the Darwin Awards.jrkrideauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04869979887929067657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-16715126180647023052015-09-16T07:08:41.998+10:002015-09-16T07:08:41.998+10:00jrk...to be honest, though, a lot of the fires in ...jrk...to be honest, though, a lot of the fires in B.C. (particularly in the Prince George district) were allowed to burn if they weren't threatening structures and were naturally caused. This is similar to some of the fires in Alaska. It is part of the natural cycle, and some species of trees (Ponderosa Pine, for instance) need the fires to open their seed pods. Unfortunately, the ideas in the past of suppressing every fire has allowed major fuel supplies to build up and in particularly dry years such as this one, it takes very little for a fire to explode. Because of the fuel build up, the fires are much more intense than if past fires hadn't been suppressed which makes it difficult for the forest to regenerate because the soil has been scorched and essential nutrients destroyed.Camnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-73298553132346256072015-09-16T03:37:42.691+10:002015-09-16T03:37:42.691+10:00Western Canada, this summer, was hit by the worst ...Western Canada, this summer, was hit by the worst fires in history, AFAIK. They were sorta related to some of the Alaskan fires. It was bad enough that we were drafting in Australian firefighters (not unusual actually) and for the first time I can remember, mobilised both regular and militia military units as firefighters from bases two or three thousand kilometres away from the fires.<br /><br />Just to top it off the fire season started roughly two months early.<br /><br />No reason for Tony to notice.jrkrideauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04869979887929067657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-54278357454168255432015-09-16T02:39:27.476+10:002015-09-16T02:39:27.476+10:00As CAGW is a myth, all evidence shows that AGW is ...As CAGW is a myth, all evidence shows that AGW is a myth. Obviously forest fires is therefore another indicator that AGW is a myth and nothing to worry about.MightyDrunkennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-51190765378615644302015-09-16T02:31:58.641+10:002015-09-16T02:31:58.641+10:00So what sort of extra economic cost do increased w...So what sort of extra economic cost do increased wildfires have? It seems to me that it would run into hundreds of millions, yet somehow they don't seem to figure on the scale. Is the idea that once everything has burnt that can burn, hey presto, no more wildfires and everything will be fine? guthrienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-20353729229315940802015-09-16T00:26:14.946+10:002015-09-16T00:26:14.946+10:00Once the character of the vegetation changes from ...Once the character of the vegetation changes from repeated burnings, it won't change back.<br /><br />Australia already has fire adapted vegetation, it regenerates quickly. But I have noticed even that has limits, the trees can get replaced by shrubby vegetation.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11552461190113661645noreply@blogger.com