tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post2897770808367230873..comments2024-03-25T05:30:23.847+11:00Comments on HotWhopper: Roy Spencer's Dummy Spit shows his lack of educationSouhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-26789708627344247902014-02-27T05:20:37.079+11:002014-02-27T05:20:37.079+11:00It gets better.
Roy Spencer (jointly with David ...It gets better. <br /><br />Roy Spencer (jointly with David Legates) writes that... <i>"unlike Katharine Hayhoe and Thomas Ackerman... we deny "that most of it is human-caused, and that it is a threat to future generations that must be addressed by the global community". "</i> [<a href="http://www.christianpost.com/news/climate-change-rebuttal-evangelical-scientists-correct-one-error-make-others-of-their-own-104158/" rel="nofollow">Source</a>]<br /><br />So it appears Spencer objects violently to the noun for 'those that deny', but not for the verb that is its root. Strange man! John Russellhttps://twitter.com/JohnRussell40noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-56654750778160682482014-02-25T11:10:25.897+11:002014-02-25T11:10:25.897+11:00Thanks for that, very lucid and quite damning.Thanks for that, very lucid and quite damning.Cugelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-76048520107364074292014-02-25T09:00:02.441+11:002014-02-25T09:00:02.441+11:00Sorry. I don't know what happened with your pr...Sorry. I don't know what happened with your previous comment.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-65090278821524902202014-02-25T04:28:09.456+11:002014-02-25T04:28:09.456+11:00(This is my second attempt to post my comment, aft...(This is my second attempt to post my comment, after the first attempt rapidly disappeared. I hope I have not stepped over some invisible line this time.)<br /><br />In their WSJ commentary, McNider and Christy present a graph showing temperature vs. model results. This graph appears similar to one presented by Roy Spencer in his written testimony before the US Senate Environment and Public Works Committee last July. Here’s a link to Spencer’s written comments, showing his graph as Figure 2:<br /><br />http://www.epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Files.View&FileStore_id=16e80c55-9ebf-42e4-852e-1f6e960b0902<br /><br />Spencer claimed the graph shows Middle Troposphere data, probably the UAH TMT averaged with the RSS version of the same, both data sets based on the MSU channel 2 measurements. These data are known to include strong influence from the stratosphere in addition to that from the troposphere and was the main reason given by Spencer and Christy for the introduction of their lower troposphere (now called TLT) product back in 1992. As a result of the stratospheric influence, the MT shows much less warming compared to that found in other data sets for the troposphere or surface. Spencer obviously knows this, which indicates that he intended to deceive the US Senate with this presentation.<br /><br />It's clear that McNider and Christy have perpetuated this deception by repeating the presentation of this graphical data. McNider and Christy didn’t mention that Spencer’s graph was limited to tropical latitudes between 20S and 20N, so the unaware might assume that the graph represented the entire Earth. Worse, McNider and Christy shifted the so-called “model” curve above the satellite data curve, which results in a visual impression of greater difference between the two. The WSJ op-ed was immediately pointed to by Charles Krauthammer in his latest opinion piece on the Washington Post late Thursday (The myth of ‘settled science’), spreading the disinfor)mation to a much wider audience. The WSJ was clearly complicit in this deception, allowing the McNider and Christy piece to appear without the usual paywall that surrounds most of the WSJ site so that individuals reading Kruathammer’s commentary could link directly to the WSJ post. These actions are just another example of the “pre World War II” saying: “A lie repeated often enough becomes the truth”. <br /><br />Presenting false and deceptive information is considered a fraud in some legal situations, particularly regarding market data. For a group of individuals to do this represents conspiracy to commit fraud, which is also a crime in the US...<br />E. Swansonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16458400506150142847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-18154637037671429932014-02-24T08:40:09.420+11:002014-02-24T08:40:09.420+11:00" Let's just say that global warming deni..." Let's just say that global warming deniers are now on a par with Holocaust deniers, though one denies the past and the other denies the present and future."<br /><br />http://www.epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=A7CAEF06-802A-23AD-458C-1B8ACD1DE91F<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-51465452316177435822014-02-23T22:53:14.765+11:002014-02-23T22:53:14.765+11:00Nazi - follower of National Socialism... I though...Nazi - follower of National Socialism... I thought those pesky "watermelon" environmentalists were international socialists implementing world government. Dr Spencer seriously doesn't have a clue here.Catmandohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12313870265499015076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-18798059167889405432014-02-23T22:19:48.090+11:002014-02-23T22:19:48.090+11:00Well, well, well...
Dr Spencer has some explainin...Well, well, well...<br /><br />Dr Spencer has some explaining to do, doesn't he.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-83381017744243269782014-02-23T21:51:31.120+11:002014-02-23T21:51:31.120+11:00Is the Roy Spenser who objects to the word "d...Is the Roy Spenser who objects to the word "denier" the same Roy Spenser who wrote:<br /><br />"While most environmentalists continue to insist that there is no connection between international bans on DDT and human deaths, such protestations really are like denying that the Holocaust ever happened."<br /><br />http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2008/05/30/roy-spencer-says-that-if-you-d/Kilbynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-61846967108895134092014-02-22T23:02:08.284+11:002014-02-22T23:02:08.284+11:00I posted a link on Deltoid yesterday to an article...I posted a link on Deltoid yesterday to an article on Rick Piltz's Climate Science Watch <br /><br />http://www.climatesciencewatch.org/2014/02/20/mcnider-and-christy-defend-inertia/<br /><br />which slams a WSJ article by Spencer's partner John Christy and another UAH researcher Richard McNider. This has now been picked up by Joe Romm at Climate Progress<br /><br />http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/02/21/3314301/scurvy-wrong-john-christy-climate/<br /><br />which cites an article in the Guardian describing the wrong-headedness of both Christy and Spencer.<br /><br />On another theme, we all appreciate what a terrific resource Sketical Science is, and many of us may have noticed periods when it was unreachable, I certainly noticed one such recently.<br /><br />Bob Lacatana, responsible for that excellent heat building widget, has a new article up there describing the situation. Clearly SkS is doing it right and that is what is scaring the hell out of those behind the dis-info campaign and a thorn in the side of the likes of Spencer and Christy who both star (or should it be ill-star) prominently there.. <br />Lionel Ahttp://lionels.orpheusweb.co.uk/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-50819801416379620632014-02-22T10:09:46.417+11:002014-02-22T10:09:46.417+11:00http://archive.is/1Cll4
And this archive has a Ger...http://archive.is/1Cll4<br />And this archive has a German ad for ecological underwear.<br /><br />I notice a pattern, something for the Pattern Recognition in Physics.Victor Venemahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02842816166712285801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-78423252782759336282014-02-22T09:19:47.011+11:002014-02-22T09:19:47.011+11:00KR, on another topic, I see Mark Steyn is busy &qu...KR, on another topic, I see Mark Steyn is busy "victim playing", rather too transparently - and all by himself with no legal help is my guess.<br /><br />http://archive.is/FFRVqSouhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-70465698474286548942014-02-22T06:55:25.144+11:002014-02-22T06:55:25.144+11:00The first section, on the religious objections to ...The first section, on the religious objections to global warming, says that the "best" explanation for ice ages and much higher sea levels in the past is Noah's Flood:<br /><br />"While there is evidence that sea level was once much higher than it now is, that evidence is best interpreted in light of the flood of Noah’s day—a never-to-be-repeated, cataclysmic judgment of God that would have been followed by a sudden ice age (accompanied by much reduced sea level as water was stored in vast ice sheets on land) as the atmosphere lost its high water vapor content and so cooled rapidly, and then a gradual recovery as temperatures rose and water vapor rose to approximately its concentration (accompanied by a gradual sea level rise to present levels as the continental glaciers melted and ocean waters expanded as they warmed)." (page 15 of "A Renewed Call to Truth, Prudence, and<br />Protection of the Poor")<br /><br />I would love for someone to ask him point blank about Noah and ice ages. <br /><br />Robert MurphyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-30475925204910407292014-02-22T06:30:57.442+11:002014-02-22T06:30:57.442+11:00"Natural cycles? Looks like denial to me.&quo..."Natural cycles? Looks like denial to me."<br /><br />I think that you have hit d'nail on the head.Lionel Ahttp://lionels.orpheusweb.co.uk/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-56988819014660452632014-02-22T05:11:51.292+11:002014-02-22T05:11:51.292+11:00Spencer is a member of the fundamentalist Cornwall...Spencer is a member of the fundamentalist Cornwall Alliance, <a href="http://www.cornwallalliance.org/blog/item/portrayal-of-warming-critics-as-creationists-and-appeal-to-consensus-reveal-ignorance/" rel="nofollow">which notes that Spencer was the author</a> of the 'science' chapter of their paper <a href="http://www.cornwallalliance.org/blog/item/portrayal-of-warming-critics-as-creationists-and-appeal-to-consensus-reveal-ignorance/" rel="nofollow">A Renewed Call to Truth, Prudence,and Protection of the Poor: An Evangelical Examination of the Theology, Science, and Economics of Global Warming Policy</a>.<br /><br />The executive summary of the 'science' section in that piece of nonsense states:<br /><br /><i>Recent progress in climate research suggests that:<br /><br />1. Observed warming and purported dangerous effects have been overstated.<br />2. Earth’s climate is less sensitive to the addition of CO2 than the alleged scientific consensus claims it to be, which means that climate model predictions of future warming are exaggerated.<br />3. Those climate changes that have occurred are consistent with natural cycles driven by internal changes in the climate system itself, external changes in solar activity, or both.</i><br /><br />Natural cycles? Looks like denial to me.krnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-25001534709778340892014-02-22T05:02:04.548+11:002014-02-22T05:02:04.548+11:00Indeed, Spencer and other denialists are simply pl...Indeed, Spencer and other denialists are simply <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victim_playing" rel="nofollow">playing the victim</a> using a linguistic strawman:<br /><br /><i>"Victim playing (also known as playing the victim or self-victimization) is the fabrication of victimhood for a variety of reasons such as to justify abuse of others, to manipulate others, a coping strategy or attention seeking."</i>KRnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-38345537804995706692014-02-22T04:29:40.153+11:002014-02-22T04:29:40.153+11:00Revkin has an excellent column on varieties of cli...Revkin has an excellent <a href="http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/02/19/a-look-at-the-shills-skeptics-and-hobbyists-lumped-together-in-climate-denialism/" rel="nofollow">column on varieties of climate denial</a> where he quotes at length a Scripps presentation by political scientist David Victor <a href="http://www.slideshare.net/Revkin/victor-on-climate-denialism-29-jan-2014" rel="nofollow"><i>"Why Do Smart People Disagree About Facts? Some Perspectives on Climate Denialism."</i></a><br /><br />Victor starts out by saying "I’d like to suggest that calling people who disagree “denialists” is clouding our judgment. If you really want to understand what motivates these people and what motivates the captains of industry and voters who listen to them, stop calling them denialists. I’ll suggest today that denialists come in three varieties—each with its own logic." and continues to describe what he calls "climate shills", skeptics and lastly amateur hobbyists.<br /><br />The whole presentation is quite thoughtful and suggests strategies for developing policy while recognizing that "denialists are driven by different motivating forces, and they won’t go away just because we speak more loudly, more often, or with bigger decks of slides."<br /><br />All in all a good readAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12083190014669867976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-19140420229745251742014-02-22T04:25:43.619+11:002014-02-22T04:25:43.619+11:00I have no trouble calling somone a "denier&qu...I have no trouble calling somone a "denier" when they refuse to look at facts in climate science. I have held up copies of the IPCC report (or provided links to them) and said "have you read this? Can you point out a scientific error in it?" Inevitably I get nothing related to the report in response, at which point I state that they are in denial that this scientific report exists and has scientific facts in it, and that makes them a denier.<br /><br />DennisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-75985923207874934462014-02-22T04:10:44.472+11:002014-02-22T04:10:44.472+11:00Don't forget Mockton (who else) beat Spencer t...Don't forget Mockton (who else) beat Spencer to proving Godwins law several years ago.<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZw8yF5alkM&feature=player_detailpagemalcolm nottnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-71145376553431230592014-02-22T03:18:00.496+11:002014-02-22T03:18:00.496+11:00I think we can expect AGW deniers to get even nast...I think we can expect AGW deniers to get even nastier and more juvenile as their frustration spills over. People such as Spencer have been at this for twenty-five or thirty years and they're not only getting nowhere, they're losing ground.<br /><br />The trajectory of the movement is typical of revivalist movements and similar crazes. Rapid growth to start with then, as the novelty wears off, a plateau, then rapid decline to a slow, rancid final fade. In those later stages the conversation is all inward, defensive, persecuted and angry. Spencer has given us an excellent example.Cugelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-65465412591541119902014-02-22T02:59:42.988+11:002014-02-22T02:59:42.988+11:0012 Spencers ain't worth a wooden nickel.
Sou,...12 Spencers ain't worth a wooden nickel.<br /><br />Sou, you are priceless.Cugelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-30285461203772061182014-02-22T01:44:46.646+11:002014-02-22T01:44:46.646+11:00maybe some useful information
JCH<a href="http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/fac/soc/economics/staff/academic/waldinger/research/mathematics_phds_jpe_final.pdf" rel="nofollow">maybe some useful information</a><br /><br />JCH<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-55821960479786590442014-02-22T01:15:48.634+11:002014-02-22T01:15:48.634+11:00the semantic link between "climate denier&quo...the semantic link between "climate denier" and "holocaust denier" isn't the "holocaust" part, just as the semantic link between "nuclear magnetic resonance" and "nuclear holocaust" isn't the "holocaust" part.<br />lignenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-86040059525007371192014-02-22T01:10:23.905+11:002014-02-22T01:10:23.905+11:00Interesting that Roy finds the term "denier&q...Interesting that Roy finds the term "denier" so offensive that his response is to start calling other people Nazis.<br /><br />And his justification is that "They started it?"<br /><br />In case you thought that the climate wars might not be able to get more juvenile.<br /><br />I am not a fan of using the term "denier," but I do find it obnoxious when "skeptics" exploit real holocaust denial to score points in the climate wars.Joshuahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08058404311263880189noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-45276289879519519022014-02-22T00:19:26.384+11:002014-02-22T00:19:26.384+11:00One main difference so far is that, in many countr...One main difference so far is that, in many countries, Holocaust deniers go to jail simply for using speech to question the existence of the Holocaust. <br /><br />When do you start putting global warming skeptics in jail?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-67194531281937182162014-02-21T23:47:56.787+11:002014-02-21T23:47:56.787+11:00Historical or climate revisionism. Easy.Historical or climate revisionism. Easy.cRR Kampenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07571285063752477448noreply@blogger.com