tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post2401449213445106339..comments2024-03-25T05:30:23.847+11:00Comments on HotWhopper: Anthony Watts, CFACT and the Cornwall AllianceSouhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-49806065847768632912015-03-10T00:44:45.725+11:002015-03-10T00:44:45.725+11:00You are quite correct the USA is doomed to mediocr...You are quite correct the USA is doomed to mediocrity for a very large part and it is driven by their endemic apathy. A bit like AUS!<br />I have been there for my work in a previous life. I used to go to Chicago to the biggest Synchrotron on the planet. They were so sure they had the best. I pointed out they were totally wrong. Brute force was not a panacea for excellence . After four years of pointing out their errors. They finally built a beam line to my specifications. Needless to say it worked.<br />All that works is science. We do not need a sky god for our morality. <br />I would believe Christians if they were a bit more like JC . He tolerated the poor and prostitutes.<br />He could turn water into wine. What is there not to like? bert<br />Bert from Elthamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-84168194597452382982015-03-09T22:32:58.871+11:002015-03-09T22:32:58.871+11:00The old camel jokes are the best, Bert :-)The old camel jokes are the best, Bert :-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-7357219431365673182015-03-09T15:36:08.634+11:002015-03-09T15:36:08.634+11:00Bert your experience re religious orders does not ...Bert your experience re religious orders does not inform this discussion. <br /><br />Science needs to influence policy because policy is woefully inadequate and science can only do that by bringing the fundos along with it. <br /><br />It's no use holding debates between Bill Nye and Ken Ham or slagging off religion when most of the US population perceives religion as more real than daylight. <br /><br />There has recently been a breakthrough in US public affairs TV climate <a href="http://mediamatters.org/research/2015/01/28/study-how-broadcast-networks-covered-climate-ch/202232/" rel="nofollow">coverage</a> <br />and Hayhoe,<br /><b> the christian voice of science</b>, <br /><b>on TV screens,</b> <br /><b>all of the time</b> <br /><b>available at the drop of a hat, </b><br />to place climate policy in a christian perspective will improve policy.<br /><br />Shit of a job though.PGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10807913317731807617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-88274854450730059842015-03-09T14:51:42.644+11:002015-03-09T14:51:42.644+11:00!Can you tell me. Do you argue with two year olds?...!Can you tell me. Do you argue with two year olds? They do not have any knowledge or experience,<br />As for Catholic Cardinals they are just upset that their willies do not rise in glorious unction anymore. To the sight of young naked boys.<br />I had a different problem with a Christian Brother. He picked on me while no one was around and I beat the shit out of him. He started the violence. Poor sad twit he did not know I grew up in Collingwood!<br /> Bert<br />Bert from Elthmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-82463098733408740142015-03-09T13:38:26.309+11:002015-03-09T13:38:26.309+11:00That Book of Mormon link is broken.
Try thisThat Book of Mormon link is broken.<br /><a href="http://www.themusicallyrics.com/b/225-the-book-of-mormon-musical/1307-turn-it-off.html/" rel="nofollow">Try this</a>PGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10807913317731807617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-5425585136585618962015-03-09T13:35:59.285+11:002015-03-09T13:35:59.285+11:00This comment has been removed by the author.PGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10807913317731807617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-23555828273254091402015-03-09T13:34:30.728+11:002015-03-09T13:34:30.728+11:00This comment has been removed by the author.PGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10807913317731807617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-44599250657567932132015-03-09T13:26:10.130+11:002015-03-09T13:26:10.130+11:00So half delusional is better than totally delusion...<i>So half delusional is better than totally delusional?</i> <br /><br />Yes. Absobloodylutely Bert!<br /><br />Bert you misunderstand America's attitude to religion and that's OK because you live in a country where 3 of the last 7 prime ministers were atheists and nobody gave a shit. American religiosity is radically different.<br /><br />That a member of congress let alone a member of the executive could be an announced atheist and get elected is utterly preposterous.<br /><br />Ex Archbishop of Sydney Cardinal George Pell used to do highly attended speaking tours of the US to reinforce the <i>Inhofeian</i> dogma that AGW was a hoax.<br /><a href="http://www.sydneycatholic.org/people/archbishop/addresses/2011/20111026_1463.shtml/" rel="nofollow">In 2011 the appalling Pell delivered the second annual address </a> to the Global Warming Policy Foundation. Two years later Jorge Mario Bergoglio became Pope Francis. A year later he acknowledged AGW without any caveats. I guarantee to you Bert that we will not hear another word from Pell on the subject. <br /><br />In the US however, the prelates are in revolt against science. Ratbags like Cardinals Burke and Dolan and Bishop Cordileone are in the vanguard of that revolt and there is little push back from their congregations.<br /><br />Bert, Catholicism is the least of America’s AGW policy problem but it’s a useful illustration of the effectiveness of cultivating (at the very least) a <i>half delusional</i> society. <br /><br />In 2010, at a soccer selection event at my son’s Jesuit school, I met a bloke from NYC who had just become CEO of Risk at a major Australian bank. He was impressive. He supported the Fed’s QE, TARP (why wouldn’t he?) and (with reservations), Obama’s Stim. He was Keynesian-Light. <br /><br />Any lengthy conversation I have inevitably touches on AGW. This CEO of Risk said he was not bothered because <i>I checked my bible and god’s got that covered</i><br /><br />Bert, there is a very good chance that that Risk exec no longer thinks that god’s got that covered because his Pope would like him not to think that.<br /><br />Heyhoe does not argue like you or me and that’s why she has to be the American face and voice of science. She understands the roots of <i>religious denilaism</i> that is best explained to we atheists by that brilliant musical <i>The Book of Morman</i>. <br /><br /><a href="http://lyrics.wikia.com/Rory_O%27Malley:Turn_It_Off/" rel="nofollow">Turn It Off</a>PGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10807913317731807617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-59374154284738803492015-03-09T13:10:47.277+11:002015-03-09T13:10:47.277+11:00So, where is CFACT's main office located? Sodo...So, where is CFACT's main office located? Sodom or Gomorrah?Nevenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15413215743703093876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-35424122003422835202015-03-09T11:55:21.053+11:002015-03-09T11:55:21.053+11:00It only hurts when you get your thumbs between the...It only hurts when you get your thumbs between the bricks!<br />BertBert from Elthamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-23090472109221395442015-03-09T11:48:55.098+11:002015-03-09T11:48:55.098+11:00And they will claim it doesn't need to be regu...And they will claim it doesn't need to be regulated because it's really not that bad for you. Dan Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12732509347477810998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-34545870870490044302015-03-09T10:51:04.770+11:002015-03-09T10:51:04.770+11:00So half delusional is better than totally delusion...So half delusional is better than totally delusional? This statement is symmetric as the evangelicals will mistrust her science and we atheists wonder about her rationality and judgment by her believing in unsubstantiated fairy tales. <br />We all suffer from cognitive dissonance to a certain degree. Consider the wife beater who does it because he loves her! But what you are proposing is that I start to believe in her delusional religious claptrap because she can talk about the science rationally. <br />This is what you are asking her fellow religious people to do. It will not work for me and it will not work for them. <br />There is only one answer. A decent education that equips people to analyse all the available evidence. <br />Otherwise it is like teaching Quantum Mechanics to my dog! bert<br /><br />Bert from Elthamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-88349762324722384652015-03-09T08:57:02.335+11:002015-03-09T08:57:02.335+11:00Cut him some slack will you Millicenent? God's...Cut him some slack will you Millicenent? God's flat out dealing with family issues. His half-brother Trevor has been hitting the piss again.PGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10807913317731807617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-64884591659782742642015-03-09T07:05:00.679+11:002015-03-09T07:05:00.679+11:00it can be fun to ask for a real world practical ex...it can be fun to ask for a real world practical example of how free markets with minimal government regulation have ever acted to protect of improve the environment.<br /><br />In fact the difficulty is finding any past case where an industrial product was found to be harming the environment, or even people directly, (Lead Asbestos, SOx tobbaco DTT, CFCs...) where the required reductions was not directly opposed by free market forces.<br />Some of the hard line libertarian dogmatists will claim that regulating such things is bad even if the result is increased death and disease.izenhttp://izenmeme.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-54298887964599472762015-03-08T22:16:24.427+11:002015-03-08T22:16:24.427+11:00Hmmmm... Any news about when God is going to get ...Hmmmm... Any news about when God is going to get his finger out and stop climate change? Does the divine plan involve turning pollutocrats into pillars of salt?Millicentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-29965941089460066992015-03-08T17:55:51.809+11:002015-03-08T17:55:51.809+11:00Well researched and written Sou.
Leaving politic...Well researched and written Sou. <br /><br />Leaving politics aside for the moment, Planet Reality has a religious foil for Cornwall Alliance and CFACT and Jim Inofe's fellow travellers and her name is Katharine Hayhoe. She's a brilliant communicator, a solid scientist who's authored more papers than I can count and is an <b>evangelical christian</b>. <br />Katherine (Rock Star) Hayhoe should become the scientific front-person on all the Sunday shows, and cable news. As much as we all love Bill Nye, America is not only deeply religious it has a large fundamentalist observance, and that reality must be dealt with.<br />It would be a big sacrifice for Hayhoe and she may have to take leave from Texas Tech but I think she can make a <a href="http://climatecrocks.com/2014/05/03/katharine-hayhoe-how-to-talk-to-evangelicals-about-climate/" rel="nofollow">significant dent</a><br /> in religion-based denial. <br />Needless to say she would require a grant if she took on this onerous duty.PGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10807913317731807617noreply@blogger.com