tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post2334116671997914270..comments2024-03-25T05:30:23.847+11:00Comments on HotWhopper: Denier weirdness: About face on "free speech" at WUWTSouhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-6771110914568752762016-03-27T14:18:04.239+11:002016-03-27T14:18:04.239+11:00Ha ha.
One "way thru" is heavy moderati...Ha ha.<br /><br />One "way thru" is heavy moderation of comments. I consider it reasonable that moderators remove comments that do not add to the discussion about the original article. They are not hard to spot.<br /><br />Lots of work though.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11552461190113661645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-983027366425330912016-03-24T21:15:50.428+11:002016-03-24T21:15:50.428+11:00Ha ha. Good catch. I knew Anthony read this blog f...Ha ha. Good catch. I knew Anthony read this blog from time to time. I didn't realise he dwelt on every comment :)Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-87445833998225475982016-03-24T20:31:47.682+11:002016-03-24T20:31:47.682+11:00Harry,
Your comment was picked up by regular Hotwh...Harry,<br />Your comment was picked up by <a href="https://archive.is/ZfS82" rel="nofollow">regular Hotwhopper reader Anthony Watts.</a><br />I wonder if his "way through" is any more effective than his attempts to:<br /><br />• <a href="https://archive.is/7CfBY" rel="nofollow">Usher in a new paradigm</a><br />• <a href="https://archive.is/nU76u#selection-685.0-711.7" rel="nofollow">Follow through on his "modest proposal" to no longer use the term “deniers” in any context,</a><br />• <a href="http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2014/10/broken-promise-and-how-anthony-watts-is.html" rel="nofollow">Crack down on the pseudonymity of his commenters</a><br />• <a href="http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2014/09/anthony-watts-meets-some-scientists.html" rel="nofollow">Change the nature of the debate by having dinner with scientists</a><br /><br />Perhaps he'll be urging people to "bring it" again, <a href="http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2014/09/conspiracy-theorist-anthony-watts.html" rel="nofollow">to fulfil his fantasy of suing people.</a>rubiginosahttps://twitter.com/rubiginosanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-22695555995735732422016-03-19T12:30:51.714+11:002016-03-19T12:30:51.714+11:00To give him credit on this one, he did predict the...To give him credit on this one, he did predict the UAH data set would show a record spike. I have never had a problem with his science, just his "interpretation" of the results and his political commentary.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11552461190113661645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-45283260722914484812016-03-19T12:26:18.413+11:002016-03-19T12:26:18.413+11:00I agree with Dr Roy Spencer on this issue. Comment...I agree with Dr Roy Spencer on this issue. Comments on blogs has become so compromised its gotten to the point where they are worthless. Too many click-baiters, astroturfers, trolls and general rat bags.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11552461190113661645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-6500278058419851292016-03-19T12:13:55.613+11:002016-03-19T12:13:55.613+11:00I am familiar with Doug Cotton, he is trying to pr...I am familiar with Doug Cotton, he is trying to promote his book or something. He pops up sooner or later on most climate change denier blogs. I think "serial pest" is the way to describe him.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11552461190113661645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-71871540638760219352016-03-13T13:32:06.787+11:002016-03-13T13:32:06.787+11:00I wonder what John Christy will do as other scient...I wonder what John Christy will do as other scientists continue to correct his and Spencer's errors.<br /><br />Here's a quote from Christy from a 2001 piece by Discover Magazine <br /><br />"Asked what he would do if his data did show the troposphere warming in lockstep with the Earth's surface, he seemed genuinely at a loss. "I guess I'd still be skeptical about forecasts of catastrophe," he said. "That's my nature.""<br /><br />The Gospel according to John - Discover Magazine Feb 2001<br />http://discovermagazine.com/2001/feb/featgospel<br />Ceisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12831378692022001009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-26440836396684977592016-03-13T07:02:29.826+11:002016-03-13T07:02:29.826+11:00@MartinM, but then he'd have to reveal his alg...@MartinM, but then he'd have to reveal his algorithms. D.C.Pettersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05078422582348328238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-44439698834188321902016-03-13T06:20:39.446+11:002016-03-13T06:20:39.446+11:00If Spencer's really that worried about not hav...If Spencer's really that worried about not having anybody to take over his work, the obvious solution would be to open-source it.MartinMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12378483250151121375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-33992672423307497602016-03-13T04:32:19.768+11:002016-03-13T04:32:19.768+11:00Like this?Like <a href="http://iquim.org/" rel="nofollow">this</a>?Rattus Norvegicushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03449457204330125792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-85501022589680333602016-03-13T01:59:47.367+11:002016-03-13T01:59:47.367+11:00I once told my students "If you see a referen...I once told my students "If you see a reference to the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics made by anyone other than a practicing physicist, you should assume it is wrong unless you can show otherwise." A bit of an exaggeration but hopefully a spur to critical thinking.<br /><br />One could make a similar statement about "quantum" [adjective].Raymond Arritthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04648714314250278353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-349458321332049972016-03-12T23:59:39.893+11:002016-03-12T23:59:39.893+11:00It is curious that he can't get bankrolled by ...It is curious that he can't get bankrolled by the denial industry. He says "I sometimes wish we skeptics had a George Soros or a Tom Steyer to bankroll our blog efforts."<br /><br />Surely they do. If Spencer and Christy are not able to tap into that it may be because they've come up with the wrong answer. .143C/decade is equivalent to NOAAs .153 and higher than .126 from RSS. <br /><br />IF you want to tap into denial $$$ you'd need to do better than back the consensus.Layzejhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11346550512734519728noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-49444501375064668162016-03-12T19:40:28.913+11:002016-03-12T19:40:28.913+11:00Yes Sou, Spencer's pessimism re the future of ...Yes Sou, Spencer's pessimism re the future of the UAH series is odd given that <b>climate</b> is hurtling towards being <i>the only game in town</i>. <br />(Except of course when those towns are Canberra, Tallahassee, Austin et al).PGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10807913317731807617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-60875842827252758132016-03-12T19:33:11.053+11:002016-03-12T19:33:11.053+11:00Anthony is obviously (IMHO!) seeking some justific...Anthony is obviously (IMHO!) seeking some justification for the amount of [Snip]ping of Science he and/or his moderator(s) have been guily of recently. My most recent personal experience of such snippage is documented here:<br /><br /><a href="http://greatwhitecon.info/2016/02/watts-up-with-dmi-arctic-sea-ice-extent/" rel="nofollow">Watts Up With DMI Arctic Sea Ice Extent?</a><br /><br />in which Anthony's memory totally fails him. An alternative interpretation is of course that his memory is AOK, as is his Porky Pie Production Line™.<br /><br />A rapidly growing collection of such incidents, perpetrated by Mr. Watts amongst others, can be seen on Twitter at the <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23SnipGate" rel="nofollow">#SnipGate</a> hashtag. Jim Hunthttp://greatwhitecon.info/blognoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-64730090156091438272016-03-12T19:17:56.639+11:002016-03-12T19:17:56.639+11:00I used the word "unfettered" liberally t...I used the word "unfettered" liberally throughout. There are other points though. Many deniers regard science advocates as trolls (wade <a href="https://archive.is/k6BbF#selection-11695.63-11695.237" rel="nofollow">through the comments</a>). Plus a lot of them <a href="http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2016/03/logical-fallacies-and-conspiracy.html" rel="nofollow">regard as intimidation</a> anyone pointing out where their science is wrong, while they feel free to falsely allege that scientists are <a href="http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2015/06/more-perversity-from-anthony-watts.html" rel="nofollow">committing fraud</a>. They think that free speech is the "right" to <a href="http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2015/08/vicious-attacks-on-michael-mann-more.html" rel="nofollow">wrongly defame</a>.<br /><br />So the notion many deniers have about "free speech" is quite limited and seriously distorted. It's <a href="http://www.hotwhopper.com/freespeech.php" rel="nofollow">basically this</a>.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-43925531625656230532016-03-12T18:34:22.330+11:002016-03-12T18:34:22.330+11:00Quite a good "crank" indicator for me, e...Quite a good "crank" indicator for me, especially when talking about a supposedly controversial area of a physical process - is invocation of the 2nd law of thermodynamics <br /><br />It is used, it seems, like a Harry Potter-ish magic spell that can make any old nonesense true<br /><br />Although from the poll results, I think it is a little stretch to 40% are actively against free speech <br /><br />And the other interesting comment is the poster who remarks on how so few of them there are - they penny might be dropping Tadaaahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07736188830660481871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-5346961672738050462016-03-12T18:15:42.853+11:002016-03-12T18:15:42.853+11:00If Anthony was looking for love and affection he g...If Anthony was looking for love and affection he got it from a few people. He may have been disappointed that some people didn't know his name, though (<a href="https://archive.is/AVaEi#selection-18129.0-18155.430" rel="nofollow">here</a> and <a href="https://archive.is/AVaEi#selection-14601.556-14601.695" rel="nofollow">here</a>).Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-86383953473979711512016-03-12T18:13:55.673+11:002016-03-12T18:13:55.673+11:00I just wish Doug Cotton wasn't allowed to post...I just wish Doug Cotton wasn't allowed to post anywhere using my initials. D.C.Pettersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05078422582348328238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-53180127459640584042016-03-12T17:31:18.271+11:002016-03-12T17:31:18.271+11:00PG I'm not sure that's the case. Stephen P...PG I'm not sure that's the case. Stephen Po-Chedley (with colleagues) has written a couple of papers - from <a href="http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/7/4/044018" rel="nofollow">2012 </a>and <a href="http://www.atmos.uw.edu/~qfu/Publications/jtech.pochedley.2015.pdf" rel="nofollow">2015</a>. There've been a number of papers before then, too.<br /><br />I'd be quite surprised if no-one was willing to take on the contract if it was up for grabs when Roy and John retire. IMO Roy is trying to claim that people wouldn't want to be associated with the data. He's wrong. People might not want to be associated with Roy and John, but that's a different matter altogether.<br />Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-8490663372708833572016-03-12T16:52:48.044+11:002016-03-12T16:52:48.044+11:00It's been mentioned before (by Sou?) that the...It's been mentioned before (by Sou?) that there appears to be a vast absence of PhD candidates from any institution let alone UA, who want to invest their research into Spencer's satellite series. A couple of months ago Spencer expressed such a fear, these recent comments suggests he now just takes it as read.PGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10807913317731807617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-7237500241554030852016-03-12T16:04:41.328+11:002016-03-12T16:04:41.328+11:00This comment has been removed by the author.Everett F Sargenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00201577558036010680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-21935891922361628912016-03-12T16:02:28.449+11:002016-03-12T16:02:28.449+11:00Why It's Not Carbon Dioxide After All
http://w...Why It's Not Carbon Dioxide After All<br />http://www.amazon.com/Why-Its-Carbon-Dioxide-After/dp/1478729228<br />Douglas J. Cotton<br /><br />http://rankexploits.com/musings/2013/doug-cotton-is-banned-admin/<br />http://rankexploits.com/musings/2014/the-fullness-of-time-doug-cotton-comments-unveiled/<br /><br />"Without gravity acting to restore the thermodynamic equilibrium which is stipulated in the Second Law of Thermodynamics"<br /><br />DJC is a piece of work, that's for sure. Godtard class.<br /><br />I've never posted at Roy's blog, but I WAS reading the comments over there wrt v6.0. People were able to post good critical comments even.<br /><br />Roy needs to do a Tamino, read all posts beforehand, or some such.Everett F Sargenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00201577558036010680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-57161233485907808012016-03-12T15:59:07.781+11:002016-03-12T15:59:07.781+11:00I figure he feels under siege from many quarters. ...I figure he feels under siege from many quarters. He did get very defensive about his satellite records didn't he.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-52450595151149681942016-03-12T15:23:41.154+11:002016-03-12T15:23:41.154+11:00Isn't it interesting timing for Roy Spencer to...Isn't it interesting timing for Roy Spencer to close down comments on his blog? Right when RSS have just published a paper re the updated version 4 of their TMT product and right before Spencer and Christy's paper is supposed to be published (if it ever is)?<br /><br />http://www.remss.com/blog/RSS-TMT-updated<br /><br />Ceisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12831378692022001009noreply@blogger.com