tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post2014542710230497605..comments2024-03-25T05:30:23.847+11:00Comments on HotWhopper: Mis-"Quote of the Week" at WUWT!Souhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-47567483887380297972014-03-16T14:44:20.335+11:002014-03-16T14:44:20.335+11:00How good's your memory, granny? Most people ca...How good's your memory, granny? Most people can't remember what the weather was like two weeks ago let alone 50-or-so years ago. Fortunately, there are weather records, which show that Canada isn't becoming colder.<br /><br />According to the Canadian government's Environment Canada website, <a href="https://www.ec.gc.ca/adsc-cmda/default.asp?lang=En&n=4A21B114-1" rel="nofollow">Climate trends and variations bulletins</a> "The national average temperature for the year 2013 was 0.8°C above baseline average (defined as the mean over the 1961-1990 reference period), based on preliminary data, which is the 16th warmest observed since nationwide recording began in 1948. The warmest year occurred in 2010, when the national average temperature was 3.0°C above the baseline average. The coolest year occurred in 1972, when the national average temperature was 2.0°C below the baseline average…The annual temperatures have warmed by 1.6°C over the past 66 years."<br /><br />Similarly, "The warmest summer on record occurred in 2012 when the national average temperature was 1.8°C above the baseline average. The coolest summer occurred in 1978 when temperature averaged across the county was 1°C below the baseline average. … summer temperatures have warmed by 1.3°C over the past 66 years." <br /><br />"The warmest autumn on record occurred in 1998, when the national average temperature was 2.5°C above the baseline average. The coolest autumn occurred in 1972, when temperature averaged across the country was 1.8°C below the baseline average. … Autumn temperatures have warmed by 1.5°C over the past 66 years."<br /><br />"The warmest winter on record was 2009–2010, when the national average temperature was 4.1°C above the baseline average. The coolest winter on record was 1971–1972, when the national average temperature was 3.5°C below the baseline average. … when averaged across the nation, winter temperatures have warmed by 3.2°C over the last 66 years."<br /><br />"The warmest spring on record occurred in 2010 when the national average temperature was 4.0°C above the baseline average. The coolest spring occurred in 1974 when temperature averaged across the county was 2°C below the baseline average. … spring temperatures have warmed by 1.7°C over the past 66 years."<br /><br />With respect to memory, I have trouble remembering what I ate for lunch yesterday.George Montgomeryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07042191140401441348noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-72845042718133569222014-03-16T08:19:59.314+11:002014-03-16T08:19:59.314+11:00I thought that if we had Global Warming, we in Can...I thought that if we had Global Warming, we in Canada might enjoy warmer summers, autumns, winters and springs. How disappointing to find that we are becoming colder. How does this happen? Never mind "extreme weather." We had this when I was a child. I was hoping for better in my old age.Granny<br />Grannyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04804424037370316601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-15057670148307870212014-02-21T14:36:37.192+11:002014-02-21T14:36:37.192+11:00BTW, if you watch this video from Climate Crocks (...BTW, if you watch this video from Climate Crocks ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqMunulJU7w ), you'll see that the focus on the phrase "climate change" vs. "global warming" is a US Republican Party decision, specifically Frank Luntz.Joenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-66927725822910533632014-02-16T13:15:43.180+11:002014-02-16T13:15:43.180+11:00Maybe, though I don't think I'm the only o...Maybe, though I don't think I'm the only one who sees climates changing around the world as a consequence of oceans and atmosphere warming up. Back in 1975, Wallace Broecker wrote:<br /><br /><i>There is little doubt, however, that this gradual warming will lead to changes in the pattern of global precipitation. Our efforts to understand and eventually to predict these changes must be redoubled.</i><br /><br />"Leading to" I've interpreted as more or less equivalent to "causing".<br /><br />http://blogs.ei.columbia.edu/files/2009/10/broeckerglobalwarming75.pdfSouhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-64375525285543213552014-02-16T12:55:50.802+11:002014-02-16T12:55:50.802+11:00Sou, I think it would be more accurate to say that...Sou, I think it would be more accurate to say that global warming is <i>one aspect</i> of climate change (in its present-day sense), rather than the cause of climate change.Don Brookshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03379725341973886243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-19060005527329011882014-02-16T12:06:04.091+11:002014-02-16T12:06:04.091+11:00If we regard climate as the envelope within which ...If we regard climate as the envelope within which weather occurs, events well outside the envelope of thirty years ago could not have happened without climate change (in the current case, AGW). This would be a step stronger than "influenced", stating that an event would not have been possible without AGW.<br /><br />Whether we're at the position to do that yet I don't know. The effects of an El Nino might well be enough, though.Cugelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-49481367817241687162014-02-16T10:31:09.015+11:002014-02-16T10:31:09.015+11:00When reporters "change" quotes they usua...When reporters "change" quotes they usually signify this by using 'single' quotation marks. The use of "double" quotation marks indicates verbatim quoting. <br />The use of single quotation marks is often used around an article's byline or headline by editors to indicate what they believe is an accurate precis of the takeaway message of an article. Some journalists do the same to shorten an article to fit the available column space.<br />Other journalists/columnists use single quotation marks to put their own slant or point of view on what was said. You might say that they follow the James Delingpole school of thought i.e. "I am an interpreter of interpretations." Done properly, the use of single quotation marks can be the refuge of scoundrels when they deal with complaints made to Press Councils or their equivalent media supervising authorities.George Montgomeryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07042191140401441348noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-10927489734488801772014-02-16T08:46:12.054+11:002014-02-16T08:46:12.054+11:00Thanks, R. Test.
The point I was making was that ...Thanks, R. Test.<br /><br />The point I was making was that the terms are describing different things.<br /><br />Global warming is a rise in temperature (at the surface, in the oceans, in the atmosphere). It is not the same as climate change, but it does cause climate change. Maybe not everywhere. But in various somewheres. In most places. Air circulation can change. Patterns of precipitation can change as oceans warm. Climate change in one place will differ from the change in another place. <br /><br />Similarly the build up of greenhouse gases is not the same as global warming or climate change. It is the ultimate cause of this current episode of global warming, which is bringing about climate change. <br /><br />As you say, climate can change anywhere. Climates can change for a variety of reasons. With global warming, climate in one part of the world might change little or not at all. But globally there are already changes in climates.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-28613337735155109252014-02-16T06:08:30.061+11:002014-02-16T06:08:30.061+11:00First, I love your blog (I read it everyday) and t...First, I love your blog (I read it everyday) and think you do a great job.<br /><br />You write: "More strictly speaking, much climate change is today being caused by global warming. Even more strictly speaking, global warming is being caused by the build-up of greenhouse gases, which is also causing climate change. "<br /><br />Even more more strictly speaking: an event (or state of affairs) A causes another event (state of affairs) B. For A to cause B, A must not be identical to B. No event or state of affairs causes itself.<br /><br />There are different types of climate change. Dry climates, wet climates, warm ones, cold ones, but the type of change does not cause the generic change. Its the same event under a broader or more narrow description.<br /><br />The current build up of CO2 is causing climate change but this is the same event as the current rise in global temperatures. <br /><br />R. Testhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11948928211339628650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-51188072718010767862014-02-16T04:07:57.052+11:002014-02-16T04:07:57.052+11:00Nick Stokes is great. How he puts up with the migh...Nick Stokes is great. How he puts up with the mighty torrent of effluent that is comments at WUWT I do not know, but hats off. *And* he gave the world the rather good <a href="http://moyhu.blogspot.co.uk/p/climate-plotter.html" rel="nofollow">Moyhu Climate Plotter</a> which I commend to you all. Your graphs will never look as good as Sou's but <i>they will be yours</i> and no-one can take that away from you.<br /><br />:-)<br /><br />Apologies for the OT Sou. BBDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10687930416706386215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-33353986664953687722014-02-16T01:31:13.983+11:002014-02-16T01:31:13.983+11:00As to why The Hill did the misquote, reporters oft...As to why The Hill did the misquote, reporters often change quotes to something that they think sounds better. There's ongoing debate in the journalistic community as to whether "improving" quotes in this way is ethical, with reasons such as <a href="http://ajrarchive.org/article.asp?id=1340" rel="nofollow">"people don't say what they mean"</a> being given as justification for quote-tweaking.<br /><br />Most of us assume that when words are inside quote marks it means those are the words the person actually used. But it doesn't.Don Brookshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03379725341973886243noreply@blogger.com