tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post2003762069981982924..comments2024-03-25T05:30:23.847+11:00Comments on HotWhopper: Anthony Watts publishes another recklessly defamatory article about NOAA scientists, by Tim BallSouhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comBlogger100125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-15859634920703416392017-03-08T01:01:11.252+11:002017-03-08T01:01:11.252+11:00WETTERCAFE:
Deal with it!WETTERCAFE:<br /><br /><br /><a href="https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/climate-deniers-youre-climate-deniers-deal-with-it/?wt.mc=SA_Twitter-Share" rel="nofollow">Deal with it!</a><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-64680914254768292102017-03-07T20:24:31.273+11:002017-03-07T20:24:31.273+11:00"i don`t wont to speak about al gore and othe...<i>"i don`t wont to speak about al gore and other politican"</i><br /><br />Really? So why did you kick off with this? :<br /><br /><i>"... which are derived from idiots like Al Gore and other fanatics."</i><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-4646974643231787762017-03-06T22:21:40.221+11:002017-03-06T22:21:40.221+11:00OR, Milicent:
... usually means "I read a de...OR, Milicent:<br /><br />... usually means "I read a denier blog last week. And another one yesterday".<br /><br /><br />Jammy Dodgerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08360437479098314946noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-7662513966838402472017-03-06T22:18:38.927+11:002017-03-06T22:18:38.927+11:00Yes Bernard. But he "thinks" it. And now...Yes Bernard. But he <i><b>"thinks"</b></i> it. And nowadays that is enough for it to be so. <br /><br />It is extraordinary. How do people blithely ignore the considered range offered by scientists and suggest a different result based on absolutely nothing but a "feeling"? <br /><br />And then try to claim they are the open-minded, free thinking, unreligious, unfanatical, objective clear thinkers? Jammy Dodgerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08360437479098314946noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-77243726086671254242017-03-06T22:07:19.735+11:002017-03-06T22:07:19.735+11:00"I began studying xxxxxx and learned..."..."I began studying xxxxxx and learned..." usually means "I watched Fox News".Millicentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-35782216032751286102017-03-06T21:19:31.527+11:002017-03-06T21:19:31.527+11:00I hope the blog is updated shortly because not one...I hope the blog is updated shortly because not one of the people who link here has updated for at least 14 hours.<br />As to the aspect of if mankind has an effect on the temperature on earth all I can say is why are we witness to changes that are not driven by the sun?<br />There can only be one other driver and I am afraid it is you and I.<br />If any person can stand up and say he or she can tell me that they are not aware that there is a change to climate in our lifetime I will astounded.johnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-57786041407537536772017-03-06T20:38:49.461+11:002017-03-06T20:38:49.461+11:00Can this thug be wiped off the blog and in the pro...Can this thug be wiped off the blog and in the process be called what he is: a thug. Thanks.cRR Kampenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07571285063752477448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-88212996708142886362017-03-06T20:08:22.438+11:002017-03-06T20:08:22.438+11:00"Yes, i think ECS is about 1,5-2,0K, not the ..."<i>Yes, i think ECS is about 1,5-2,0K, not the best estimate of 3,2 by IPCC...</i><br /><br />As I indicated above, the simple raw numbers of empirical evidence indicate that the bottom half of previous IPCC sensitivity ranges is ruled out. Tony Banton reminded you of this and you blithely ignore it: equilibrium climate sensitivity is at least 3.0 °C, and very likely above.<br /><br />BBD points out that Cenozoic ECS was around 3.0 °C. There's a clue there...<br /><br />And something that I think should be emphasised is that Cenozoic ECS was based only on the quantum of carbon in the biosphere and in permafrost and similar potentially-labile sources of carbon. The current carbon cycle now includes hundreds of billions of tons of fossil carbon that was previously locked out of the carbon cycle in the several hundred million years prior to industrialisation. This introduction of new carbon will very likely amplify feedings-back, and increase the ECS value for the contemporary climate.<br /><br />So tell us, please, what is your evidence that ECS is 1.5-2.0 °C/K, and what is your evidence that refutes the empirical expression of the planet's response to human-emitted fossil carbon?Bernard J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16299073166371273808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-91340364096599321082017-03-06T05:48:30.614+11:002017-03-06T05:48:30.614+11:00@ Tony, and the big question is, how much of the a...<i>@ Tony, and the big question is, how much of the almost +1K are anthropogenic. </i><br /><br />All of it. No evidence that the solar irradiance went up and no flatulent unicorns in sight. <br /><br /><i>why is a warming of 1K from the coldest climate period over the last 10.000 years, the LIA, where most of the instrumental starts, so ugly, hmm?</i><br /><br />Muddle *and* conspiracy dogwhistling. The LIA was over by ~1850. So no trickery.<br /><br /><i> Yes, i think ECS is about 1,5-2,0K,</i><br /><br />Nature disagrees with you. It's about 3C per doubling of CO2 throughout the entire Cenozoic <a href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v491/n7426/full/nature11574.html" rel="nofollow">(PALAEOSENS Project Members, 2012)</a><br /><br /><i>and that is a meaningful difference!</i><br /><br />It's wishful thinking based on nothing. <br /><br /><i>and all the Nonsens about extreme weahter Events</i><br /><br />On the increase, as predicted <a href="http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/v5/n6/full/nclimate2617.html" rel="nofollow">(Fischer & Knutti 2015).</a>BBDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10687930416706386215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-72768526156522674122017-03-06T04:19:50.239+11:002017-03-06T04:19:50.239+11:00@ Tony, and the big question is, how much of the a...@ Tony, and the big question is, how much of the almost +1K are anthropogenic. And another big question is, why is a warming of 1K from the coldest climate period over the last 10.000 years, the LIA, where most of the instrumental starts, so ugly, hmm? Nothing is dangerous or not a benefit so far, but that is told us be the fanatic "warmers". Yes, i think ECS is about 1,5-2,0K, not the best estimate of 3,2 by IPCC and that is a meaningful difference!WETTERCAFEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17090007371851567812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-1192306313414706212017-03-05T06:14:51.129+11:002017-03-05T06:14:51.129+11:00Christian:
"it´s just about the climate sensi...Christian:<br />"it´s just about the climate sensitivity and all the Nonsens about extreme weahter Events etc."<br /><br />There is advocacy from some quarters of a *Catastrophic* warming to come.<br />However the IPCC gives an ECS of 1.5 to 4.5C.<br /><br />Now it will be plainly above 1.5 (we are at +1C now at TCS with another 160ppm ACO2 to come).<br />It may, or it may not be as high as 4.5.<br />Most new science points to it being in the upper half.<br />I hope you do not conflate scientists with the media in their "nonsense".<br />Because that is the habitual mistake of contrarians.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17614652735774985250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-35446981677061951542017-03-05T06:01:02.049+11:002017-03-05T06:01:02.049+11:00great! If i`m not a denier, you call me concern tr...<i>great! If i`m not a denier, you call me concern troll. You are really fantastic!</i><br /><br />I didn't do that. Please don't lie. I pointed out that you had made a false claim. You are sailing a bit close to the wind at this point. BBDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10687930416706386215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-74392256782026498792017-03-05T05:31:07.482+11:002017-03-05T05:31:07.482+11:00i don`t wont to speak about al gore and other poli...i don`t wont to speak about al gore and other politicans, it´s just about the climate sensitivity and all the Nonsens about extreme weahter Events etc.WETTERCAFEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17090007371851567812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-36174483093684795422017-03-05T05:26:06.997+11:002017-03-05T05:26:06.997+11:00Christian:
"I can still think critically and ...Christian:<br />"I can still think critically and say everything about the climate, which I regard as meteorological, climatologically correct. Not all meteorologists are so lucky today and the Forecasters are interested in other things ...right?"<br /><br />Wrong:<br />I am "out of the mainstream", having been retired for 10 years.<br />The only concern I have is that the *arguments" fit the physics.<br />You have shown none, just an assertion that the "mainstream" is wrong.<br />So:<br />Are all the world's climate scientists incompetent?<br />Are all the world's climate scientists perpetrating a fraud?<br />Or:<br />Do they know more than you?<br /><br />Common-sense says it's the last.<br />Don't come on here ranting about Al Gore (as an example) and hand-wave that the science is wrong my friend.<br />Whatever you are, you are not a true Meteorologist (no defence there re education/background).<br />As I said you exactly fit all the other *Naysayers* I have come across in this last 10 years.<br />Ideologically motivated contrarianism, laced with hollow D-K hubris.<br /><br />The "down the rabbit-hole(ness)" of your "just fanatic believers!" is typical.<br />It is NOT belief.<br />It's called science.<br />Present some, that gainsays ~150 years of that that is now empirical.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17614652735774985250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-67971517766575653872017-03-05T04:55:02.277+11:002017-03-05T04:55:02.277+11:00@BBD,
great! If i`m not a denier, you call me con...@BBD,<br /><br />great! If i`m not a denier, you call me concern troll. You are really fantastic!WETTERCAFEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17090007371851567812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-89942583298673220442017-03-05T04:52:21.178+11:002017-03-05T04:52:21.178+11:00@ Tony
Right, I also run a bar with the weather a...@ Tony<br /><br />Right, I also run a bar with the weather and climate part and this is great, because I do not have to participate in the politically correct climate mainstreamm. I can still think critically and say everything about the climate, which I regard as meteorological, climatologically correct. Not all meteorologists are so lucky today and the Forecasters are interested in other things ...right?<br />WETTERCAFEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17090007371851567812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-85120841449688715042017-03-04T10:08:08.992+11:002017-03-04T10:08:08.992+11:00This comment has been removed by the author.Jpiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06909695595566012525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-5321173375472614562017-03-04T07:33:27.259+11:002017-03-04T07:33:27.259+11:00Aha! link: Lake EyreAha! link: <a href="http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=89723&src=eoa-iotd" rel="nofollow"> Lake Eyre</a>Susan Andersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16935228911713362040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-28408383963129311602017-03-04T07:26:00.448+11:002017-03-04T07:26:00.448+11:00Can we please not descend into insults, no matter ...Can we please not descend into insults, no matter how provoked? It's obvious to people who actually follow science that false claims are not true, but getting into the mud doesn't help.<br /><br />"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it." (GBShaw)<br /><br />I came over here to go OT, and perhaps I should put it in the chats, but in the interest of changing the subject, this is for Sou and anyone else interested in Austalian space pix. "Flood Waters Reach Kati Thanda–Lake Eyre, 27 February, 2017"<br />http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=89723&src=eoa-iotdSusan Andersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16935228911713362040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-27794349010955413472017-03-04T06:03:41.970+11:002017-03-04T06:03:41.970+11:00Hi Christian (WETTERCAFE),
FYI: I am a Meteorolog...Hi Christian (WETTERCAFE),<br /><br />FYI: I am a Meteorologist too, well retired now after 32 years with the UKMO.<br /><br />"Who of you is an meteorologist, climate scientist, who has a clue at all, what should be discussed, hmm? "<br /><br />As above.<br />And I most certainly "have a clue".<br /><br />"I started like you, but then came the physics of the atmosphere"<br /><br />Odd!<br />Was this before you started studying physics and meteorology?<br />And why if you did would it change your mind?<br />(The wrong way)<br />It has informed mine.<br />And that comment (Al Gore is the give away however) is the sort of thing I would expect to be posted at WUWT , and CE which are full of "amateur" climate "know-alls", who think that indeed, they do "know-all" and the world's experts know-nothing<br />You rather fit the bill my friend.<br /><br />I see you are self-employed.<br />From a Cafe.<br /><br />Do you make much money at that?<br />Weather forecasting I mean - not the cafe.<br />Do you have a background in the ZAMG?<br /><br />I must say that I profoundly disagree with your views re CC.<br /><br />Why?<br />I studied and practised Wx forecasting with the UKMO. <br />And know the physics.<br />You?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17614652735774985250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-84257583088521533722017-03-04T05:37:00.833+11:002017-03-04T05:37:00.833+11:00"I used to be a progressive but then I began ...<i>"I used to be a progressive but then I began studying politics and learned that only conservatives fight for our free speech rights under the First Amendment". Seriously.</i><br /><br />It'll be unicorns next, you mark my words. The gates of alt-reality are opening. BBDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10687930416706386215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-6799888740876579532017-03-04T04:46:51.929+11:002017-03-04T04:46:51.929+11:00Sort of like "I used to believe in the physic...Sort of like "I used to believe in the physics but then I studied meteorology"?Jammy Dodgerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08360437479098314946noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-50789834070043475622017-03-04T04:38:01.091+11:002017-03-04T04:38:01.091+11:00"I started like you, but then came the physic..."I started like you, but then came the physics of the atmosphere"<br /><br />Classic form of denialism. Decades ago I learned it from those who would claim "I used to believe in evolution but then I studied biology ..."<br /><br />A more recent and odd argument of this form I've been hearing from a small number of people: "I used to be a progressive but then I began studying politics and learned that only conservatives fight for our free speech rights under the First Amendment". Seriously.dhogazanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-22257292580477171092017-03-04T02:38:38.056+11:002017-03-04T02:38:38.056+11:00"It's kinda funny. Like watching a toddle...<i>"It's kinda funny. Like watching a toddler play with a taser."</i><br /><br />?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-40184468277201860692017-03-04T02:34:37.627+11:002017-03-04T02:34:37.627+11:00WETTERCAFE - You are obviously just another boring...WETTERCAFE - You are obviously just another boring, un-original, un-informed, climate <a href="http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Concern_troll" rel="nofollow">concern-troll</a>.<br /><br />You aren't the first - and you won't be the last.<br /><br />In any case, as soon as you mention Al Gore, you lose all credibility. Too bad. So sad.<br /><br />But - by all means - do continue to make an a$$ of yourself. It's kinda funny. Like watching a toddler play with a taser.<br /><br />Please - Don't forget to tell us about Galileo in your next comment.<br /><br />The Very Reverend Jebediah Hypotenusenoreply@blogger.com