tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post1913601603438629515..comments2024-03-25T05:30:23.847+11:00Comments on HotWhopper: Pope Francis and Jeffrey D. Sachs get the Heartland Institute into a sulk about climate, at WUWTSouhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-47920525791620103942015-05-10T13:30:59.239+10:002015-05-10T13:30:59.239+10:00"The Government, with the abject capitulation..."The Government, with the abject capitulation of the Labor Party ... "<br /><br />Even now the government can't resist the urge to pull a swiftie. <br /><br />The Labor Party thought they had a deal (bit like Nick Xenophon I suppose). Now they discover that the so-called commitment to renewables includes burning chipped forest "waste". <br /><br />Don't know whether they're renegotiating the total or putting their foot down or going back to the industry to consult. (I thought that was the government's job, but what do I know?) <br /><br />They might just cave - if the industry's caving in - or they might fight for something more sensible. It's a shame that they can't just put it on the back burner until the next election, but they and the industry want there to _be_ an industry to support if they get there. adeladynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-17883650831633334812015-05-09T08:01:55.640+10:002015-05-09T08:01:55.640+10:00Missed this on my first pass through the thread. T...Missed this on my first pass through the thread. That is excellent news, Bert! A travesty of science narrowly averted.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-59595664158658834142015-05-09T04:08:01.583+10:002015-05-09T04:08:01.583+10:00I wish I could allow the strike tag (and blockquot...I wish I could allow the strike tag (and blockquote), MM. Blame Google.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-78983074028399791832015-05-09T03:59:02.801+10:002015-05-09T03:59:02.801+10:00From the LOL, WHUT?! comments:
Good response to a...From the LOL, WHUT?! comments:<br /><br /><i>Good response to a fringe group of environmental zealots who fail to see that fossil fuels have [allowed > forced] Man to deal with *increasingly extreme* Weather of all types...</i><br /><br />There, FTFY :-)<br /><br />[Meta: Sou, you should allow the HTML 'strike' tag as it makes it much more elegant to do Fixed That For You.]Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-33539910342727201172015-05-09T03:47:47.223+10:002015-05-09T03:47:47.223+10:003rd, of course. But aren't you missing an &qu...3rd, of course. But aren't you missing an "o"?Brandon R. Gateshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17031044715994785956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-17255314249218852612015-05-09T01:22:58.945+10:002015-05-09T01:22:58.945+10:00Australian investment in renewables dropped 90% in...Australian investment in renewables dropped 90% in a year.<br />Climate revisionists have also couped the US, http://insideclimatenews.org/news/06052015/pollute-will-bill-enjoys-widespread-support-house-republicans .<br /><br />I'm getting more and more in the mood of sitting back to relax & enjoy the mayhem, the civil war that wil start in/around Sao Paulo of a kind mapped out in the Levant; and California will be next. Burn. Sorry mates, I think we lost the planet and will seriously have to plan for that.cRR Kampenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07571285063752477448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-22794104845882878522015-05-09T01:13:11.005+10:002015-05-09T01:13:11.005+10:00In other news Tony Abbots senior business advisor ...In other news Tony Abbots senior business advisor Maurice Newman has gone the full-tinfoil-hat-Agenda 21-conspiracista in a bizarre rant in The Australian newspaper. The full dummy-spit is behind the paywall, but coverage can be found at the excellent (but soon-to be retired?) <a href="http://loonpond.blogspot.com.au/2015/05/in-which-pond-attempts-nellie-melba.html#.VUzFg_BsDCM" rel="nofollow">Loon Pond</a>.<br /><br />Christiana Figueres, one of Newman's "conspirators", is in Australia at the moment, and responded to questions about it with typical grace: <br />"The only thing that I can say there is that's really good fun. The UN agenda is very clearly to support governments, certainly federal governments, in doing what federal governments after due consideration consider to be in their own interests.<br /><br />"We live in a world of free press and free opinion and, you know, if that's the humour in Australia then that's the humour in Australia."<br /><br />"I have my own sense of humour. It's quite fine."<br /><br />Pwned...Frank Dnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-70437703721359390222015-05-08T22:17:48.350+10:002015-05-08T22:17:48.350+10:00Lomborg snookered!
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015...Lomborg snookered!<br />http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-08/bjorn-lomborg-uwa-consensus-centre-contract-cancelled/6456708Bert from Elthamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-36034592239492915422015-05-08T21:37:27.311+10:002015-05-08T21:37:27.311+10:00They got rid of $70.000 salary to have over a mill...They got rid of $70.000 salary to have over a million dollars damage to the building. Way to go! bean counters!<br />BertBert from Elthamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-18722473071374784522015-05-08T21:18:42.271+10:002015-05-08T21:18:42.271+10:00It is only scientific evidence Sou! There is no po...It is only scientific evidence Sou! There is no point on believing this stuff. It is all a plot. <br />BertBert from Elthamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-63053426322380247712015-05-08T20:32:24.970+10:002015-05-08T20:32:24.970+10:00Found this from John Paul II - from 1990. A fairly...Found <a href="http://w2.vatican.va/content/john-paul-ii/en/messages/peace/documents/hf_jp-ii_mes_19891208_xxiii-world-day-for-peace.html" rel="nofollow">this from John Paul II</a> - from 1990. A fairly strong statement on the environment, if a bit mixed up about science (ozone depletion and greenhouse effect), and anti-GMO. It does show that at the top level, the Catholic Church has been warning about climate change for more than 25 years at least. <br /><br /><i>The gradual depletion of the ozone layer and the related "greenhouse effect"has now reached crisis proportions as a consequence of industrial growth, massive urban concentrations and vastly increased energy needs. Industrial waste, the burning of fossil fuels, unrestricted deforestation, the use of certain types of herbicides, coolants and propellants: all of these are known to harm the atmosphere and environment. The resulting meteorological and atmospheric changes range from damage to health to the possible future submersion of low-lying lands.</i>Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-15662054427244334202015-05-08T19:52:25.558+10:002015-05-08T19:52:25.558+10:00What these bean counters did not and could not und...What these bean counters did not and could not understand that we were a family and we looked after each other. When something went wrong we all chipped in. We all helped each other outside of our narrow disciplines. <br />BertBert from Elthamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-88625730857467566522015-05-08T19:37:14.340+10:002015-05-08T19:37:14.340+10:00Bernard we led the world in in PV solar panels yea...Bernard we led the world in in PV solar panels years ago it all ended up in China due to lack of support in Australia..<br /><br />As someone who has worked all his life in science for the people of Australia I am very angry!<br />When elected people are dolts and remove the smart people in the public service we are in deep shit!<br />I was a first hand witness to the deterioration of CSIRO from within by a class of dimwit bean counters who had no idea what our basic charter was.<br />These morons would follow our support staff around for a week and then decide that their contribution was marginal.<br />As an example these twits decided that our four story building in Parkville with some of the most complicated systems that were beyond their paltry comprehension could be managed from Clayton over twenty miles away.<br />There was an inevitable failure of a high pressure water valve in the above building plant room which was flooding the whole building. <br />The management asked an ex member of the building management to sort it out. He said ' you assured us it could be managed from Clayton, I would like to see how you manage this. It is not my job or problem. We warned you!'<br />Bert<br /><br /><br />Bert from Elthamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-77764907870557578502015-05-08T19:28:54.733+10:002015-05-08T19:28:54.733+10:00YES https://www.facebook.com/groups/climatechange...YES https://www.facebook.com/groups/climatechangedebate/permalink/1483094501980937/john byattnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-57978343447122985912015-05-08T19:25:21.019+10:002015-05-08T19:25:21.019+10:00If there was one industry that Australia could hav...If there was one industry that Australia could have led the world in, it was photovoltaics. Ideal climate for it, plus some talented engineers and scientists. (Uni NSW was doing some ground-breaking R&D in this, way back in the 1970s if I recall correctly.) Now we're just a backwater, stuck with dirty technology maybe for decades thanks to short-sighted politicians (am I being too generous?) - some probably with an eye to a lucrative retirement (on both sides of the political fence). Combine that with the predicted climate change we can expect, we're hurting a lot sooner rather than later. (We're already getting ever worsening floods, drought, fires, storms, water shortages/bad water quality, and heat waves.)<br /><br />BTW - "write" not "right" up above - sometimes muscle memory defeats the brain :(Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-5554509409823283642015-05-08T19:10:17.304+10:002015-05-08T19:10:17.304+10:00bo
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Congugation?bo <br />bis <br />bit <br />bimus <br />bitus <br />bunt<br /><br />Congugation?Bert from Elthamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-81063315762208183302015-05-08T18:56:26.115+10:002015-05-08T18:56:26.115+10:00And to add insult to injury Bert, the Australian p...And to add insult to injury Bert, the Australian parliament has apparently settled on 33,000 gigawatt-hours as the target for renewable energy generation in 2020. This is piss-weak compared to the original target of 41,000 GWh, and effectively destroys any chance of any future solar projects in Australia.<br /><br />The Government, with the abject capitulation of the Labor Party, has consigned to the scrap heap any appreciable renewable energy industry in Australia, and has especially forever forgone any chance that Australia might have been a world leader in renewables. The social and environmental implications of this limp target are profound and I suspect that too few people have cottoned on to what a travesty and tragedy this is.<br /><br />It'll all be far too late when they eventually wake from their comas.Bernard J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16299073166371273808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-20811152455822209982015-05-08T18:52:57.811+10:002015-05-08T18:52:57.811+10:00Yes I did Latin until year eleven. This is how the...Yes I did Latin until year eleven. This is how the brothers taught us!<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAfKFKBlZbM<br /><br />BertBert from Elthamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-50842496386139411502015-05-08T18:34:25.160+10:002015-05-08T18:34:25.160+10:00As someone who was schooled in science to look at ...As someone who was schooled in science to look at ALL available evidence. I find these illiterati and self selecting ignorati that call themselves sceptics when they are actually denialists that cannot see they are pooing/vomiting on the carpet as a group of utter idiots. My dog knows better.<br />Just because a Pope who is a rational scientist as well as a deluded fool when it comes to beleiving in <br />a bearded sky god has an opinion that agrees with yours does not make it correct. <br />The final arbiter is the totality of the evidence. Not how many delusional well meaning people agree with the evidence without any real understanding.<br />The rightwing denialist industry nuts cannot tell the difference between evidence and mere delusional opinion.<br />When this next El Nino rears up like Godzilla and it looks like it is going to be very soon in a totally new unpredictable way. These morons will regroup and make up more idiotic taking points and reiterate these until a majority of the lesser mortals get fooled again. They hope!<br />Bert<br /><br /><br />Bert from Elthamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-10238876750148664182015-05-08T18:33:58.738+10:002015-05-08T18:33:58.738+10:00I am an ex-catholic atheist but I admire the value...I am an ex-catholic atheist but I admire the values of Australian and South American Jesuits. (Needless to say American Jesuits are outliers). My son (also an atheist) was educated by the famously left wing Sydney Jesuits and the results are spectacular.PGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10807913317731807617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-41794337818071390212015-05-08T18:01:08.865+10:002015-05-08T18:01:08.865+10:00I was raised a Methodist, but I got better. ;-)
...I was raised a Methodist, but I got better. ;-)<br /><br />For all that, I like this pope. I really do. Had he been around in my formative years he might even have managed to capture me for longer than did my childhood church. I hope that he has a taster though, because I'm sure that I am in an ever-increasing minority!Bernard J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16299073166371273808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-35326767490270412262015-05-08T16:13:51.665+10:002015-05-08T16:13:51.665+10:00The Catholic Church is very conservative as an ins...The Catholic Church is very conservative as an institution. It's also huge and not every member organisation or individual is conservative. It's grossly paternalistic and led by an all male hierarchy. If you think of the more liberal organisations in the Catholic Church, they are more likely to be made up of women than men. (Think some of the charities led by nuns, working with and advocating for the disadvantaged in society, often having to work around opposition from conservative clerics.)<br /><br />It's also pluralistic, with parts being nothing more than superstitious idol-worship (mixing pagan with Christian ceremonies) - mostly at the bottom of the hierarchy. The hoi polloi. <br /><br />It's always had a strong intellectual and academic base, including not just theology and philosophy but science and the arts. (Think Gregor Mendel, not just Thomas Aquinas; or Teilhardt de Chardin who was a physical scientist as well as a theologian and philosopher.)<br /><br />As a sign of just how conservative the Church is, many people regarded John XXIII as a radical for trying to lift the Church into the twentieth century - sixty years or so after the century started. It can take decades to centuries for the Church to officially catch up with the world at large (think contraception).<br /><br />It would be a mistake to right it off. As a body it has enormous influence, even in today's secular world. That's why the Heartland Institute is in such a sulk. Their Cornwall Alliance is a joke, compared to any of the established religions. It's not based on any rational theology (in so far as theology can be termed "rational"). It's a weird little cult, that's all.<br /><br />I'd not be surprised if many career priests and nuns have a very nuanced view of their religion - many would be quite pragmatic. They'd also have a myriad of different reasons for sticking with it, even if they don't any longer "believe" lots of things (like heaven and hell, original sin, transubstantiation etc). Humans have an enormous capacity for rationalisation. And humans as a group need their magic, spirituality or whatever as evidenced by human history going way back across the entire world. I don't think that will change, despite the best efforts of evangelistic atheists :) The Catholic Church and other religions provide a framework for people to express/indulge in rationalisations of events that would otherwise be overwhelmingly debilitating (death and life's tragedies in particular.) It supports them when they need it.<br /><br />It's not the first time that the Church has spoken out about the environment. Their activities aren't for everyone - too much "Jesus" and "shepherd" analogies for lots of people I'd think. But if you want to mix religion and environment, there are avenues:<br /><br />http://catholicearthcare.org.au/<br /><br />Disclaimer: I was raised a Catholic but grew out of it. I'm tolerant of people's religious beliefs as long as they don't result in actions that are detrimental to other people or the earth as a whole. I don't have respect for the Church's male hierarchy. Too many misogynistic, paternalistic, hypocritical ultra conservatives. Some individuals are okay.<br />Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-36324205211754405832015-05-08T15:17:13.054+10:002015-05-08T15:17:13.054+10:00I suspect that more than a few of the clerics in t...I suspect that more than a few of the clerics in the Vatican are leaning toward the Spong view of theology, and realising that they need to be more aware of the secular sin of environmental destruction and that salvation comes from repenting of that.<br /><br />In other words, heaven is immanent rather than abstract, and if humans don't accpet that then the punishment for their sin will be to replace that heaven with a living hell for themselves and their decendants.<br /><br />As guardians of a moral faith they need to be on the front-line of doing something to protect the pasture.Bernard J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16299073166371273808noreply@blogger.com