tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post1701658548455985297..comments2024-03-25T05:30:23.847+11:00Comments on HotWhopper: Hockey by email ~ more vexatious lawsuits by political science deniersSouhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-50295154507996855492013-09-11T14:34:16.329+10:002013-09-11T14:34:16.329+10:00Yep, and more carbon is released as scientists fly...Yep, and more carbon is released as scientists fly to talk off the record.Martin Vermeerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04537045395760606324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-76756845578282874062013-09-11T05:10:16.177+10:002013-09-11T05:10:16.177+10:00And it has a real effect in stifling communication...And it has a real effect in stifling communication and hindering science. <br /><br />American scientists that are friendly and talkative when you talk to them personally, write back short and formal answers by email. Not a word too much.<br /><br />I am so happy that Germany has <i>freedom of research</i> in the constitution. Consequently this kind of harassment is illegal here. Victor Venemahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02842816166712285801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-32021487046506893602013-09-11T04:48:50.121+10:002013-09-11T04:48:50.121+10:00Of course. But keeping those three-word snippets o...Of course. But keeping those three-word snippets out of circulation will leave also the golden stuff sitting on scientists' hard drives, or inside scientists' heads, to die with them. And some of that gold won't even be generated as author teams are chilled out of communicating uninhibitedly. <i>That</i>'s the tragedy, in my view.Martin Vermeerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04537045395760606324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-62151799052621796182013-09-10T18:54:03.534+10:002013-09-10T18:54:03.534+10:00Agreed. We clearly saw that pattern during "C...Agreed. We clearly saw that pattern during "Climategate 1.0". Horner and friends are not really interested in what the scientists actually think. They want to make stuff up, based on three word snippets.Lars Karlssonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06158469980966810882noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-16025581975223908932013-09-10T18:48:22.821+10:002013-09-10T18:48:22.821+10:00Yeah, Martin. You are right of course. I thought...Yeah, Martin. You are right of course. I thought about that bit when I wrote it and decided it would get too complicated if I went there.<br /><br />Anyway, they aren't the sort of emails that Chris Horner and ATI are after. They are looking for three word snippets to take out of context and "prove" all of climate science is a hoax!Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-18127629690185603952013-09-10T18:20:37.511+10:002013-09-10T18:20:37.511+10:00> The fact that it thinks science is done by em...> The fact that it thinks science is done by email says it all<br /><br />Actually much science is indeed done by email -- collaborative authoring is common. This is part of how graduate students grow up into the research tradition. The published papers are typically too polished to tell the whole story; the correspondence lets you look into the kitchen, where researchers candidly share their thoughts, also the silly ones, without the self-censorship that comes from the awareness of public scrutiny. <br /><br />Even today, old correspondence (paper letters) of Einstein, Bohr, and the other usual suspects are still being pored over, and books written on what they mean for the history of science, the act of human creation, etc. etc. We're lucky that those letters still exist. Future climatology history writers will not be so lucky, thanks to the valuable efforts of ATI and friends :-(<br />Martin Vermeerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04537045395760606324noreply@blogger.com