tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post1490693885905123411..comments2024-03-25T05:30:23.847+11:00Comments on HotWhopper: Christopher Monckton forgets about the sun then greets the men in white coatsSouhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-26667959090511200142014-03-29T11:39:36.177+11:002014-03-29T11:39:36.177+11:00OK, that was spit out the coffee funny!OK, that was spit out the coffee funny!Joenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-29446649018023987162014-03-29T08:17:20.046+11:002014-03-29T08:17:20.046+11:00No answers to the puzzle from our "sceptical&...No answers to the puzzle from our "sceptical" friends? <br /><br />Hint: while biogeochemical carbon sinks are largely disabled by global glaciation (including a substantially or completely frozen ocean), volcanism doesn't stop. How might this affect the atmospheric composition over several million years? BBDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10687930416706386215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-1030787378119160272014-03-29T03:31:52.067+11:002014-03-29T03:31:52.067+11:00cRR
"CO2"? What is that?!?
Why, it'...cRR<br /><br /><i>"CO2"? What is that?!?</i><br /><br />Why, it's a harmless trace gas, of course!<br /><br />:-)BBDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10687930416706386215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-18123117728695785102014-03-29T03:31:04.221+11:002014-03-29T03:31:04.221+11:00The white-coat outburst begs a paraphrase from the...The white-coat outburst begs a paraphrase from the movie "Tropic Thunder":<br /><br />"Never go full Monckton."spilgardnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-78230633272281521552014-03-29T03:27:08.399+11:002014-03-29T03:27:08.399+11:00FrankD
:-)FrankD<br /><br />:-)BBDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10687930416706386215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-74689345324707324432014-03-29T03:11:54.779+11:002014-03-29T03:11:54.779+11:00"Ice ages come, ice ages go, you can't ex..."Ice ages come, ice ages go, you can't explain that..."FrankDnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-53541454796341358552014-03-29T01:40:04.834+11:002014-03-29T01:40:04.834+11:00Yes. Mother Nature knows best :)Yes. Mother Nature knows best :)cRR Kampenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07571285063752477448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-7186290503671660812014-03-28T23:53:18.560+11:002014-03-28T23:53:18.560+11:00I know this one!
Natural Variation.I know this one!<br /><br />Natural Variation.Cugelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-23228054025054073092014-03-28T23:29:39.167+11:002014-03-28T23:29:39.167+11:00Dear Anon.
[...] is a video by Willie Soon, and h...Dear Anon.<br /><br /><i>[...] is a video by Willie Soon, and he says the Sun<br />is to blame for Global Warming and not CO2.</i><br /><br />And:<br /><br /><i>Look at the evidence</i><br /><br />Let's do exactly that. <br /><br />Here is a comparison of climate forcings (to scale with each other) and global average temperature. It's instantly obvious that:<br /><br />- it's *not* the sun<br /><br />- it *is* GHG forcing<br /><br /><a href="https://s3-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/www.moyhu.org/Hx/plotterv2.htm#HxB1?HxG=%5B%5B1900,2012,'GAT%20response%20to%20forcings',%5B99,71%5D,0,%5B%5D%5D,%5B%5B%5B-2.445,7.239%5D,1,0,%5B1979,2000%5D%5D,%5B%5B-2.2668,0.9148%5D,0,1,%5B1979,2000%5D%5D%5D,%5B%5B%5B6,0%5D,16,0,0,0%5D,%5B%5B6,1%5D,27,0,0,0%5D,%5B%5B6,4%5D,18,0,0,0%5D,%5B%5B2,0%5D,5,0,0,0%5D,%5B%5B0,1%5D,23,0,0,0%5D,%5B%5B1,0%5D,19,0,0,0%5D%5D%5D" rel="nofollow">Climate forcings during the C20th: solar; well-mixed GHGs; total net forcing</a><br /><br />GAT (surface) annual means are shown at the top (green). The three lower curves are coherently-scaled forcings. Well-mixed GHGs (blue) and solar (yellow; bottom) bracket the total net forcing (red). The abrupt negative excursions in total net forcing are the result of volcanic eruptions (negative forcing by stratospheric aerosols).<br /><br />* * *<br /><br /><i>and yes I heard all the arguments about Koch brothers and Big Oil and all that, I just don't think that's relevant at all.</i><br /><br />Of course it's relevant. Surely you cannot be so naive?<br /><br />Willie Soon is a shill, Anon. This is a <i>matter of fact</i>, and you should be aware of it since it bears directly on how much trust you should place in what he tells you. Please read the link provided by Millicent above. <br />BBDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10687930416706386215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-42945233604015109912014-03-28T22:39:41.823+11:002014-03-28T22:39:41.823+11:00The Marinoan Snowball Earth is fascinating. It pro...The Marinoan Snowball Earth is fascinating. It provides a puzzle for GHE deniers that they will not easily answer.<br /><br />Here it is: SE events are albedo-locked icehouse states. Most incident solar SW is reflected back into space and the climate system is kept in the deep freeze.<br /><br />So why aren't we still stuck in a Snowball Earth state?<br /><br />How did the climate system break itself out?BBDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10687930416706386215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-5456550395084228482014-03-28T21:47:49.668+11:002014-03-28T21:47:49.668+11:00"CO2"? What is that?!?"CO2"? What is that?!?cRR Kampenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07571285063752477448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-77467422244807764882014-03-28T21:46:18.280+11:002014-03-28T21:46:18.280+11:00At some point I'd expect Abbott to enter parli...At some point I'd expect Abbott to enter parliament dressed as Queen Victoria.<br /><br />(captcha: 'cognisance totalling')cRR Kampenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07571285063752477448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-305800682068134822014-03-28T16:35:38.444+11:002014-03-28T16:35:38.444+11:00Ha ha. It felt good to laugh :)
Speaking of laugh...Ha ha. It felt good to laugh :)<br /><br />Speaking of laughter, our <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnPCDQ5TYBQ&list=TLxM8YzARhVhKppEoK3IvVSeXX6e38oqpq" rel="nofollow">laughable government has banned "infectious laughter"</a>. People might catch it!Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-24760075634599468022014-03-28T16:21:36.512+11:002014-03-28T16:21:36.512+11:00Hi people, a reminder.Hi people, <a href="http://blog.hotwhopper.com/p/comment-policy.html" rel="nofollow">a reminder</a>.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-61970670059203006192014-03-28T15:23:51.239+11:002014-03-28T15:23:51.239+11:00You gotta love Monckton.
First off he says there ...You gotta love Monckton.<br /><br />First off he says there is no consensus and references his own flawed paper that he cowrote with his disgraced Heartland mates. Despicable.<br /><br />Then he writes "Suppose that 0.33 Cº – just under half of the observed 0.69 Cº – was our contribution to global warming since 1950"<br /><br />Where does he come up with these figures. Out of his arse I suspect because it is in direct conflict with this published result.<br /><br />http://www.iac.ethz.ch/people/knuttir/papers/huber11natgeo.pdf<br /><br />So if his assumptions are pulled out of his arse, the rest of his calculations and conclusions are just mathubations. Monckton and his usual silver-tounged flair for rubbish. Davenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-92061935276079931092014-03-28T15:00:11.547+11:002014-03-28T15:00:11.547+11:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Bernard J.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-18983729894579018572014-03-28T14:57:15.442+11:002014-03-28T14:57:15.442+11:00Cugel, I remember that too.
Many moons ago I had ...Cugel, I remember that too.<br /><br />Many moons ago I had Plimer as a lecturer in undergraduate Geology (coal geology, IIRC) and being the curmudgeon he was even back then there's no way that he would have allowed his students to pass the course if they'd produced a clanging blanket statement such as that... although some would say that looking good in a dress may have mitigated against a strike.<br /><br />I don't think that Monckton would look good in a dress so that can't be the explanation.Bernard J.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-35354128567071845722014-03-28T13:58:15.845+11:002014-03-28T13:58:15.845+11:00WRT the Neoprotozoic, Eli always thought Monckton ...WRT the Neoprotozoic, Eli always thought Monckton was a reptile, but now he admits to being slime. Whodda thunk.EliRabetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-11786964705643683272014-03-28T13:05:59.856+11:002014-03-28T13:05:59.856+11:00The sock puppet wrote
"All such predictions a...The sock puppet wrote<br />"All such predictions and "measurements" of this supposed crucial effect are mere extrapolations from computer modelling of parts of the atmosphere."<br /><br />Notice how he put measurements in scare quotes, like they don't exist. Pitiful.<br /><br />And then he wrote "This is a relationship which is not proven to exist". <br /><br />Um sorry, but there is plenty of supporting evidence, beginning with the observations by Tyndall, which observed directly the heat trapping properties of CO2 in 1859, and the observations by Langley who observed the heat trapping properties of CO2 in the atmosphere during the 1890's, later confirmed by satellites.<br /><br />Then you have the measurements of isotopes of carbon and oxygen of rocks formed during the PETM.<br /><br />http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v451/n7176/fig_tab/nature06588_F3.html<br /><br />This clearly shows that as carbon was injected into the atmosphere, the temperature rose, and then as the carbon was slowly scrubbed from the atmosphere, the temperature fell. Clear causation. <br /><br />Also did you notice that all this evidence is empirical, and NOT based on computer models.<br />Davenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-58915049757433719472014-03-28T11:11:43.079+11:002014-03-28T11:11:43.079+11:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Cugelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-30124661617584235942014-03-28T07:35:01.308+11:002014-03-28T07:35:01.308+11:00Thanks Anthony. Now you mention it, I recall a tv...Thanks Anthony. Now you mention it, I recall a tv show where Ian went out and picked up a piece of dolomite and said it proved climate science is a hoax - or something like that :)Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-91619972158028273722014-03-28T07:32:17.004+11:002014-03-28T07:32:17.004+11:00I see that Millicent answered your question: "...I see that Millicent answered your question: "Where in that excerpt is carbon dioxide mentioned?". However I'm not sure why you asked it. <br /><br />Why should there be a mention of CO2 in that particular quote? I included that quote to illustrate that it's difficult for scientific researchers themselves to work out everything that happened 540 to 1000 million years ago. Christopher Monckton acts as if he is so certain - even though he's never done *any* scientific research, let alone climate research of the Neoproterozoic era.<br /><br />I mentioned CO2 several times and how the scientists point to greenhouse gases being behind the massive fluctuations of temperature over the 460 million years of the Neoproterozoic. My article consists of more than a single quotation.<br /><br />In case there is a reader who is new to climate science, J Black or whatever his name is, is of course quite wrong when he talks about CO2. There are any number of ways that you can demonstrate why it continues to act as a greenhouse gas and hasn't suddenly stopped obeying the laws of physics (which Black/McTaggart/Lee seems to think has happened for some weird reason known only to himself).Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-6639265258381200832014-03-28T07:17:42.800+11:002014-03-28T07:17:42.800+11:00You are mixing up your sciences, J Black/McTaggart...You are mixing up your sciences, J Black/McTaggart/Choon Lee. Sigmund Freud was a shrink, a trickcyclist, studying the human mind and human behaviour. Don't confuse him with scientists like <a href="http://nsdl.org/archives/onramp/classic_articles/issue1_global_warming/n1-Fourier_1824corrected.pdf" rel="nofollow">Jean Baptiste Joseph Fourier</a>, <a href="http://atoc.colorado.edu/~dcn/ATOC6020/papers/tyndall-1861.pdf" rel="nofollow">John Tyndall</a>, <a href="http://web.lemoyne.edu/~giunta/Arrhenius.html" rel="nofollow">Svante Arrhenius</a>, <a href="http://www.rmets.org/sites/default/files/qjcallender38.pdf" rel="nofollow">Guy Stewart Callendar</a>, <a href="http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.2153-3490.1956.tb01206.x/pdf" rel="nofollow">Gilbert Plass</a>, <a href="https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:vj9a8jaGflQJ:dge.stanford.edu/labs/caldeiralab/Caldeira%2520downloads/PSAC,%25201965,%2520Restoring%2520the%2520Quality%2520of%2520Our%2520Environment.pdf+President%27s+Science+Advisory+Committee+%281965%29.+Restoring+the+Quality+of+Our+Environment.+Report+of+the+Environmental+Pollution+Panel&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEEShNgnhRuTN5AUUfyWP3zRrs4adZH9aawx8wqPmeHL8dD0QPCxhSNeEWpUQb8i1k4-6_83DV1ArB8KrzfRbsRwdFS6Uxkw-YaFPAHWdMNlipI-GtjwnegLOpXUIpMI3BzWOKcQsr&sig=AHIEtbR_rrQirRnigyoKBsT2aAxodW2H9w" rel="nofollow">Richard Revelle</a>, <a href="https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:z75YSQHD0wIJ:blogs.ei.columbia.edu/climate/files/2009/10/broeckerglobalwarming75.pdf+broeckerglobalwarming75.pdf&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEEShzZKUX1QlHo_UGyBmNlAe65AouTbc3CSwxhVaFIvah1JVbzPjEw16Aml0Cr5GAI69LpsuTomtjbSR6ql3Ueg3YePoiMNkjcAdSyhlWU37VE3ARN409qso3o794e2cdo1TITbj6&sig=AHIEtbT4ZvtMbw6YeubwQ_CbbKI38zS_hA&pli=1" rel="nofollow">Wallace S Broecker</a> and all the <a href="http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/publications_and_data_reports.shtml" rel="nofollow">thousands of climate and earth system scientists of today</a>. <br /><br />By the way, whatever your real name is, there's <a href="http://blogs.nature.com/climatefeedback/2008/08/more_for_the_annals_of_climate_1.html" rel="nofollow">a blog article on Nature Climate Change</a> that discusses the shady tactics of the Idso family, who you've linked to. They are a shady bunch.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-9028284435345507772014-03-28T06:56:24.977+11:002014-03-28T06:56:24.977+11:00J Black / Choon Lee / McTaggart / Anonymous ought ...J Black / Choon Lee / McTaggart / Anonymous ought to quit back-slapping himself. He'll get a hernia :(<br /><br />The Idso family's has been "<a href="http://www.buzzfeed.com/polluterwatch/climate-denier-countdown-5-pr-aexpertsa-lying-ex6v" rel="nofollow">pumping out junk science</a>" for many years. They didn't put up their Award for ranking No. 8 in a <a href="http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2009/12/dirty-dozen-climate-change-denial-11-idso-family%20%20" rel="nofollow">Mother Jones' Dirty Dozen of Climate Change Denial</a> but they have included a lot of <a href="http://archive.is/LIHKG" rel="nofollow">shonky awards on their website</a>, sharing some of them with <a href="http://www.spiffy-entertainment.com/awards20.html" rel="nofollow">this website</a>, which beat them by getting 200 awards! Sadly, I couldn't find any of their "Awards" anywhere else on the internet. Craig is listed <a href="http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2013/09/heartland-institutes-nipcc-science.html" rel="nofollow">as an author of the Not the IPCC Report</a> plugged by the anti-science lobby group The Heartland Institute. You can read my <a href="http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2013/09/heartland-institutes-nipcc-science.html" rel="nofollow">take down of that report here</a>.<br /><br />The main barrow that this pack of scoundrels push is "<a href="https://www.skepticalscience.com/co2-plant-food.htm" rel="nofollow">CO2 is plant food</a>" - from what I've read. That family earns its crust from science denial. They are one of the sources for CEI, Heartland and other infamous lobby groups - <a href="http://www.yaleclimatemediaforum.org/2013/07/uprooting-the-carbon-dioxide-is-plant-food-argument/" rel="nofollow">as discussed here</a>.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-62835986705640031552014-03-28T06:55:26.341+11:002014-03-28T06:55:26.341+11:00Monckton gets his shonky proterozoic musings from ...Monckton gets his shonky proterozoic musings from Ian Plimer in his error-riddled book "Heaven and Earth", who misunderstood/willfully misinterpreted Jim Walker's paper on snowball earth and the carbon cycle . Evideince for dolomitisation exists directly after snowball earth, where previously glacial deposits were forming. Follow this link for some photos of "before and after" http://all-geo.org/highlyallochthonous/2010/03/omans-view-of-the-snowball-earth/Anthony Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02513872551156179165noreply@blogger.com