tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post1040997576276973816..comments2024-03-25T05:30:23.847+11:00Comments on HotWhopper: WUWT sez let Africans starve, and implies Trump has single-handedly stopped climate changeSouhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comBlogger47125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-340501803631322812016-12-03T19:28:51.177+11:002016-12-03T19:28:51.177+11:00"he knows nothing about using computers for s..."he knows nothing about using computers for sophisticated modeling"<br /><br />As an IT person, I should point most IT people know nothing about modelling. I think you have to be more of the physicist type and understand atmospheric physics and mathematics. IT people may code models, but they usually work from a specification handed to them.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11552461190113661645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-39225879812437728112016-12-03T19:00:39.023+11:002016-12-03T19:00:39.023+11:00Hi PG - He claims to be or have been an "IT e...Hi PG - He <a href="https://archive.is/SSwb1" rel="nofollow">claims to be</a> or have been an "IT expert", though <a href="https://archive.is/SSwb1" rel="nofollow">it's obvious</a> that he knows nothing about using computers for sophisticated modeling. I'm guessing his main expertise these days is in writing apps - FWIW.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-10096409662000022382016-12-03T18:50:11.693+11:002016-12-03T18:50:11.693+11:00I have spent well over $30,000 helping the communi...I have spent well over $30,000 helping the community in the last 20 years possibly more i do not keep a book on it.<br />It is pretty simple just go and contribute to helping the people in your area not very hard to do if you think about it and do not expect praise just do it.johnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-56128421212683572252016-12-03T18:40:44.705+11:002016-12-03T18:40:44.705+11:00Here is the level of "Post Truth"
The on...Here is the level of "Post Truth"<br />The onus is on your side to prove your claims, and this does not include the many failed computer predictions. As the Federal Senator in this speech (who is also a climate scientist) points out very clearly.<br /><br />{ this is climate scientist "Malcolm Roberts" no less }<br /><br /><br />This is the level we are at people.<br />From the not the house of Lords but you know who he is.<br /><br />My "original stance", recorded in writing and read by millions on the front page of the Weekend section of the London Sunday Telegraph in November 2006, was that some warming was to be expected, but, on balance, not very much. I see no reason to modify that opinion.From approximately 2009 onwards, I pointed out that, contrary to prediction, the global temperature trend since the beginning of 2001 had been either negative or flat. For a time, that was the case on all datasets. Then, in 2014, several datasets were altered so as to show warming where there had previously been none. In the past couple of years there has been an el Nino, so all datasets now show some warming - but at only half the rate that IPCC had originally predicted in 1990.The warming of the ocean in the first 11 full years of the ARGO bathythermograph record was at a rate equivalent to 1 Celsius degree every 430 years. That is not a significant warming rate: but it is probably close to the genuine warming rate to be expected in response to anthropogenic increases in greenhouse-gas emissions.Of course even this small warming represents a substantial quantum of thermal energy: but so what? If a 40-gallon drum has three or four drops of water in it, a microscopic life-form in one of the drops of water will say that that is a lot of water: but, compared with the capacity of the drum, it is of course negligble - a point that the climate models incorrectly represent.The levelized cost of electricity from coal is of order $30 per MWh, which is considerably below the cost of any other form of electricity generation. From the point of view of third-world countries, where some six million people a year die before their time because they have no electric power, the availability of affordable, reliable, base-load, non-polluting coal is of infinitely more value than the availability of very costly, environment-destroying, temperamental, intermittent, high-maintenance "renewables".The cost of providing electric power to all who do not have it is a very small fraction of the vast sums now being squandered on making largely non-existent global warming go away. The rational economic choice, as well as the emotional moral choice, is to stop wasting trillions on global-warming mitigation and to redirect billions towards giving the world electrical power, and preferably coal-fired electrical power.Link to comment: <br />MY COMMENT UNDER<br />Your original stance not that long ago was there is No Global Warming.You went to several countries and made sure your message was given.<br />Now suddenly there is but it is all good and ok evidently.<br />The amount of energy required to raise the huge volume of ocean even by a minute percentage of a degree is huge.While the source of this energy is the sun and it is not showing the increase in output of energy required you have a problem.Until very recently the cherry pick was to use the last El Nino event to say that we were headed for cooling.You just repeated that cherry pick above.As you know as everyone knows it is the trend that is the important aspect.The trend has been consistent and it is up.As to coal being clean yes it is cleaner than in the 1880 but i am afraid not ever going ...<br /><br />Yes brilliant examples of NewSpeak there is no other explaination.<br />We are living in the age of the IDIOT has freedom to claim anything they like and IT works brilliantly.<br /><br />I do not think this is going to change anytime soon we live in the "Post Truth" age where any made up stuff is taken as correct.<br />At least those who read 1984 know exactly what i mean we are seeing it now.<br />johnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-66747545895047053292016-12-03T17:35:11.784+11:002016-12-03T17:35:11.784+11:00I have no wish to victimise him, but does anybody ...I have no wish to victimise him, but does anybody know what Eric does for a living?PGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10807913317731807617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-56396549170507642812016-12-03T01:53:01.621+11:002016-12-03T01:53:01.621+11:00Why do you presume anything happened to that other...Why do you presume anything happened to that other line of argument?numerobisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-80088289305833536062016-12-02T20:51:54.086+11:002016-12-02T20:51:54.086+11:00@Anonymous
No. I think you are wrong. None of tha...@Anonymous<br /><br />No. I think you are wrong. None of that chimes with me at all Anonymous. <br /><br />Jammy Dodgerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08360437479098314946noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-23707461462677964622016-12-02T19:52:55.230+11:002016-12-02T19:52:55.230+11:00You have convicted yourself by your own utterances...You have convicted yourself by your own utterances. BertBert from Elthamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-28910834280441645462016-12-02T07:22:06.852+11:002016-12-02T07:22:06.852+11:00What happened to the science denier meme of them s...What happened to the science denier meme of them suddenly caring about "the third world" and how we, on the side of science, want those in the third world to plunge into impoverished darkness? Jim Spriggshttp://jimspriggsblog.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-68470408994328193382016-12-01T14:23:44.987+11:002016-12-01T14:23:44.987+11:00"That's how pathetic humanity really is.&..."That's how pathetic humanity really is."<br /><br />Speak for yourself.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11552461190113661645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-83156947573281935582016-12-01T07:20:37.991+11:002016-12-01T07:20:37.991+11:00The phrase "binary thinking" would seem ...The phrase "binary thinking" would seem to cover this.Millicentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-61811428328939430362016-12-01T06:17:28.688+11:002016-12-01T06:17:28.688+11:00I've absolutely no use for the lying scum foun...I've absolutely no use for the lying scum found over on WUWT, but let's all be honest here. <br /><br />Humans do not care about anything. We all pretend we do, but the reality as evidenced by our daily actions, says otherwise.<br /><br />We congratulate ourselves on the tiny insignificant steps we make while continuing to embrace and participate in this civilization on a daily basis. Our alleged compassion is measured in tiny "sacrifices" whereby we proudly deceive ourselves "matter".<br /><br />We are only deceiving ourselves while wasting enormous amounts of time which can never be recovered.<br /><br />We're going to argue about our individual and groups merits and all the faults in theirs to the end of time, which for humanity is probably less then 100 years from now. <br /><br />Each group will congratulate itself on how "right" they are, how moral and how true to their principles while none will be fully honest or admit to their contributions to this conclusion. We'll justify our lifestyles, our actions, our unwillingness to change in a million different ways, always inching closer and closer to failure.<br /><br />The reality is we do not care about anything. If we did, we would all stop what we are doing. We would save what is left. We would stop pretending that our pitiful efforts have made a difference. But none of us will do this. We'd rather entertain ourselves to the very end, pointing fingers.<br /><br />That's how pathetic humanity really is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-55562529381451952102016-11-30T22:10:09.274+11:002016-11-30T22:10:09.274+11:00Giving something a name like "pause" or ...Giving something a name like "pause" or "hiatus" does not give it significance. It merely allows it to be discussed without the tedium of defining what it is that is being discussed every time it is discussed.<br /><br />Diluting a substance into non-existence has a name too. If we call it <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cg2CQqMaU1I" rel="nofollow">homeopathy it doesn't get any more credible.</a>Millicentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-29670361600593635332016-11-30T20:56:19.618+11:002016-11-30T20:56:19.618+11:00I suspect the history of the "climate wars&qu...I suspect the history of the "climate wars" will show that the "pause / hiatus" narrative was subsumed into the mainstream climate science story as a matter of short term expediency <br /><br />to refute it needs a knowledge of statistics / trend analysis in the context of various datasets way above 99% of the population ability to grasp <br /><br />so simply easier to "acknowledge" it rather than continually try and counter it, cede a little ground, it will become a redundant argument pretty soon anyway Tadaaahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07736188830660481871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-17478056159189200682016-11-30T13:48:32.849+11:002016-11-30T13:48:32.849+11:00Thanks, Jpio. I may have caught an "It's ...Thanks, Jpio. I may have caught an "It's A Plot" bug infecting <a href="http://www.objectivistliving.com/forums/index.php?/topic/16246-conspiracy-theories-and-conspiracy-theorists/&page=12#comment-262585" rel="nofollow">this particular forum</a>, where I haunt the halls as Count Debunkula.<br /><br />That quote which side-tracked me:<br /><br />"Dr Schmidt also denied that there was any ‘pause’ or ‘hiatus’ in global warming between the 1998 and 2015 El Ninos.<br /><br />But on its website home page yesterday, Nasa featured a new study which said there was a hiatus in global warming before the recent El Nino, and discussed why this was so. Last night Dr Schmidt had not returned a request for comment.<br /><br />However, both his own position, and his Nasa division, may be in jeopardy. US President-elect Donald Trump is an avowed climate change sceptic, who once claimed it was a hoax invented by China.<br /><br />Last week, Mr Trump’s science adviser Bob Walker said he was likely to axe Nasa’s $1.9 billion (about £1.4 billion) climate research budget."<br /><br /><br />It isn't clear just what Gavin Schmidt was supposed to react to. The new study? Whitehouse? The garish graphics? The promised gutting of NASA's budget? <br /><br />The Mail perhaps did not send its best to entice Schmidt. "Gavin, you will be broke and teaching high school in Toronto this time next year, you awful man. I have some shitty graphics and and a theme of schadenfreude. Any comment?"<br /><br />-- at yon sunny vale WUWT the Mail on Sunday piece reappears under a fresh headline: <a href="https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/11/28/steepest-drop-in-global-temperature-on-record/" rel="nofollow">Steepest drop in global temperature on record</a>. Hoo haw. Nooz travels.<br /><br />Nick Stokes did yeoman work amongst pockets of insane commenters thereafter and pulled rational opinion to the his side with ATTP, that the article was an unreliable mess ...<br /><br />I'll get back to politely gnawing on Rose. All-caps retorts probably in my future.William Scott Scherkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13481476585908252323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-39822040194521892792016-11-30T08:41:37.560+11:002016-11-30T08:41:37.560+11:00I don't think it's anything to do with tha...I don't think it's anything to do with that study. At ATTP, he links the Daily Mail piece by David Rose to an unpublished article on the GWPF website written by David Whitehouse titled SATELLITE DATA REINSTATES GLOBAL TEMPERATURE PAUSE, which is more closely related to the topic than the study you cite.Jpiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06909695595566012525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-22066992331600312062016-11-30T08:21:33.753+11:002016-11-30T08:21:33.753+11:00"This is a step forward from when they preten..."This is a step forward from when they pretend to care."<br /><br />Hey! That's not fair. They DO care. Didn't you see all those demonstrations against corporate greed, and the pollution and the exploitation of people and the environment all over the world, especially in poor countries with lax environmental controls.<br /><br />Oh, sorry...watching the wrong video and didn't read the placards properly _ these are Tea-Party demonstrations against Obama. They reckon he's an ape and he wasn't born in the US.<br /><br />Obviously intelligent people; you can always tell by the causes which agitate them.<br /> Jpiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06909695595566012525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-17896648854142087592016-11-30T07:43:03.844+11:002016-11-30T07:43:03.844+11:00Thanks, KatyD -- my link is bozed. Here is what I...Thanks, KatyD -- my link is bozed. Here is what I believe is the NASA 'home page' story mentioned by David Rose <a href="https://www.nasa.gov/feature/jpl/study-sheds-new-insights-into-global-warming-trends" rel="nofollow">Study Sheds New Insights Into Global Warming Trends</a>William Scott Scherkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13481476585908252323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-88466828614992758052016-11-30T04:41:33.763+11:002016-11-30T04:41:33.763+11:00Link didn't work for me - AGU article is https...Link didn't work for me - AGU article is https://news.agu.org/press-release/study-sheds-new-insights-into-global-warming-hiatus/ & paper is here http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/2016EF000417/abstractKatyDnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-14946117907201995092016-11-30T02:41:44.466+11:002016-11-30T02:41:44.466+11:00Further to the 'missing link' in the Mail...Further to the 'missing link' in the Mail on Sunday article by David Rose, I asked him directly on Twitter to let us know what the actual study was that he mentioned in the article. <br /><br />So far, no gravy. I have asked a second time this morning for a clear reference. I am hopeful he doesn't view the request as akin to stealing his soul or something. <br /><br />During the time when I briefly interacted with him on Twitter, he got in a revealing spat with ThenTheresPhysics, which at one point required him to clonk out on all-caps:<br /><br />"@theresphysics @wsscherk I still don't know what you think I deny. AGW IS REAL! WE NEED ADAPTATION AND MITIGATION STRATEGIES" THAT WORK! OK?"<br /><br />Okay, David. Now what about the 'missing link'?<br /><br />-- I am reasonably certain that the unidentified study almost-cited was this:<br /><br />Xiao-Hai Yan, Tim Boyer, Kevin Trenberth, Thomas R. Karl, Shang-Ping Xie, Veronica Nieves, Ka-Kit Tung, Dean Roemmich. <a href="161122182458.htm" rel="nofollow">The global warming hiatus: Slowdown or redistribution?</a> Earth's Future, 2016; DOI: 10.1002/2016EF000417<br /><br /><br />William Scott Scherkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13481476585908252323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-66489106493489247312016-11-30T01:52:40.303+11:002016-11-30T01:52:40.303+11:00People like Worall are the exploiters.People like Worall are the exploiters.cRR Kampenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07571285063752477448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-3227933963683213012016-11-29T20:37:28.918+11:002016-11-29T20:37:28.918+11:00As a UK citizen, Worrall will soon understand a lo...As a UK citizen, Worrall will soon understand a lot more about one sided agreements. Post Brexit Britain will struggle to create, from scratch, trading agreements with people who will exploit the mess the UK will be in.Millicentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-58572925840747621092016-11-29T19:00:11.895+11:002016-11-29T19:00:11.895+11:00as someone delightfully pointed out on Tamino'...as someone delightfully pointed out on Tamino's blog the chart clearly shows all the recent temps way above the 1978 to 1998 long term average <br /><br />what could possibly be causing that!!!!!<br /><br />and they clearly label it too - they are all so thick they don't even know how thick they truly are Tadaaahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07736188830660481871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-87492638669045252932016-11-29T18:21:45.811+11:002016-11-29T18:21:45.811+11:00On slashdot.org the mods would give you a +5 '...On slashdot.org the mods would give you a +5 'Insightful' for that. In other words, well said :-)<br /><br />And speaking of slashdot:<br /><br />https://science.slashdot.org/story/16/11/28/2347246/great-barrier-reef-has-worst-coral-die-off-ever-report-findsmetzomagichttp://metzomagic.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-9490341288659252542016-11-29T18:12:32.633+11:002016-11-29T18:12:32.633+11:00Spot on, bill :-\Spot on, bill :-\metzomagichttp://metzomagic.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.com