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Sunday, October 18, 2015

Denier weirdness: Anthony Watts hands his blog to the crazies. Is that the best he's got?

Sou | 4:14 PM Go to the first of 15 comments. Add a comment
Anthony Watts posted another article from his resident greenhouse effect denier, Tim Ball (archived here). This time he put a caveat on the top, but he posted it anyway. The only other article he's posted in the last day is something from Christopher Monckton, which can best be described as seeming to come from a raving lunatic (archived here). Someone let him out of Bedlam.

Seriously? It's less than six weeks to Paris, and all Anthony Watts has is years' old denier memes of wrong CO2 measurements, and a hysterical (I'm not exaggerating) article from the potty peer?


Sky Dragon Slayer Tim Ball's article is pointless


Up top of the Tim Ball article, Anthony wrote:
[Note: Some parts of this essay rely on a series of air sample chemical analysis done by Georg Beck of CO2 at the surface. I consider the air samplings as having poor quality control, and not necessarily representative of global CO2 levels at those times and locations. While the methods of chemical analysis used by Beck might have been reasonably accurate, I believe the measurements suffer from a location bias, and in atmospheric conditions that were not well mixed, and should be taken with skepticism. I offer this article for discussion, but I don’t endorse the Beck data.  – Anthony]
Well, whoopie doo. So why did he post the article? What hold does Tim Ball have over Anthony Watts? The article is all but unintelligible. It's a mish mash of name-dropping (Hubert Lamb and George Beck, may they rest in peace), and  various incomprehensible charts and garbled words. There is no rhyme or reason in the article. There is no point being made, other than that Tim Ball has lost it.



Christopher Monckton FOIAs the UK Supreme Court


Christopher Monckton's article reads, as usual, as if it's come from a deranged citizen. I mean that seriously. He has written it as an FOIA request, and begins with the following:
Sir,
FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT 2000: NOTICE OF REQUEST FOR INFORMATION
Supreme Court pantomime of hate on climate change, 17-19 September 2015

Where he gets the "hate" from is probably the same place that Anthony gets his "hate" from. That is, anyone who talks sensibly of climate change is "hateful" in the disturbed minds of science deniers.

Christopher's article is in protest to a three-day symposium on Climate Change & the Rule of Law, held last month. The opening lines of the press release describe it as:
21 September 2015
Some of the world's leading judges, lawyers and legal academics met in London last week (17-19 September) for a special three-day symposium on climate change and adjudication, hosted by the Dickson Poon School of Law at King's College London, with the support of The UK Supreme Court, HM Government, the Journal of Environmental Law, the Asian Development Bank and the United Nations Environment Programme. 

Christopher wrote:
However, there remains the probability that the event did not take place and that the YouTube record of it, together with various web links and documents about it, are fake. This request is intended to discover whether – per impossibile – the Supreme Court’s pantomime of hate indeed took place and, if so, at whose instigation and at what cost, and who was approached for funding, and who agreed to fund the event, and how much was paid and by whom, and how much was spent, and by whom, and on whom or on what, and whether the passages of overtly and nakedly partisan political hate-speech attributed to one of the justices and to an invited lecturer were in fact uttered by them.  

And went downhill from there.


Is this the best that deniers have?


I'm thinking that both Tim Ball and Christopher Monckton have gone over the edge, and they've taken wattsupwiththat with them.


From the WUWT comments


There aren't sufficient "thoughts" under Tim Ball's article yet, so the following are to Christopher's waffle:

LarryFine probably can't think of a better person to have on "his side", and got lots of plus ones from the WUWT deluded:
October 17, 2015 at 8:48 am
I’m glad he’s on our side.

Bob Lyman wants to create a fund to sue the UK Supreme Court, the highest appellate court in the United Kingdom (yes, really!)
October 17, 2015 at 9:00 am
I would assume that, if the Supreme Court grants disclosure and the evidence proves illegal or prejudicial actions on the part of some or all Justices, legal action will follow. I hope that Viscount Monckton will establish a fund to which supporters may contribute to support such legal action.

ferdberple compares the three-day symposium to the betrayal of Jesus:
October 17, 2015 at 10:45 am (extract)
a very dangerous precedent. lawyers and judges seeking to use the courts to enforce their belief systems.

...The Betrayal by Judas is mild in comparison. Our ancestors that fought and died for our freedoms are turning over in their graves.

Billy Liar says sack all the Justices:
October 17, 2015 at 1:43 pm
They should all be sacked and more thoughtful judges appointed. 

jimheath opts for a conspiracy theory:
October 17, 2015 at 1:14 pm
There has to e a reason intelligent people consistently lie. I can only conclude Agenda 21.
[No. Now, April 15? That is a reason (for the government) to lie. .mod

NZPete is stunned that legal experts would have a symposium on the law:
October 17, 2015 at 5:59 pm
I’m stunned to think that this can even happen in the British legal system. That is:

“21 September 2015
Some of the world’s leading judges, lawyers and legal academics met in London last week (17-19 September) for a special three-day symposium on climate change and adjudication, hosted by the Dickson Poon School of Law at King’s College London, with the support of The UK Supreme Court, HM Government, the Journal of Environmental Law, the Asian Development Bank and the United Nations Environment Programme”.

My first reaction was ‘WTF”. Unbelievable. 

Further reading


Beck to the future - article at RealClimate.org on CO2 measurements and E-G. Beck

For HotWhopper articles on Tim Ball and Christopher Monckton, use the search bar up top.

15 comments:

Millicent said...

It is telling that deniers feel threatened when they know nothing more than that our learned friends get together to talk about climate change. Unfortunately, I don't think the deniers have any reason for concern: the last I heard it wasn't even possible to prove in UK courts that smoking is bad for you.

The principle that wealthy corporations can buy the 'justice' they want is well established here.

the judge found it prejudicial that the plaintiff's expert witnesses were not paid for their services because she was indigent, believing that the lack of payment placed in doubt their credibility and claiming that the paid tobacco expert witnesses had more motive to testify independently because they had been paid, a perverse and novel line of reasoning.

That's not something that could truthfully be called a 'justice' system.

rubiginosa said...

As noted by Catmando in another thread, the deranged British citizen's latest RSS graph begins in February 1997, meaning the moveable feast that is Monckton's 'Great Pause' has various possible start dates:
August 1996
September 1996
October 1996
November 1996
December 1996
January 1997
February 1997

miker said...

If this current El-Nino plays out anything like 1997-98, event then the expectation is that by Feb or March 2016 his Lordship's posts regarding the 'Great Pause' will have a start date that correspond to one month prior to the given post. Alternatively he may go very quiet on the matter. I assume the latter.

Catmando said...

Did Monckton miss this on the Supreme Court website

https://www.supremecourt.uk/news/climate-change-and-the-rule-of-law.html

"Some of the world's leading judges, lawyers and legal academics met in London last week (17-19 September) for a special three-day symposium on climate change and adjudication, hosted by the Dickson Poon School of Law at King's College London, with the support of The UK Supreme Court, HM Government, the Journal of Environmental Law, the Asian Development Bank and the United Nations Environment Programme.

"The London symposium, which welcomed over 25 eminent international jurists, legal practitioners and academics, was timed ahead of the UN climate change conference in Paris this December to explore the extent to which courts are equipped to deal with the breadth and complexity of problems thrown up by climate change, and what changes might be needed to ensure that legal systems can keep pace with increasing demands to resolve environmental disputes. Delegates discussed how the uncharted territory of developing 'climate change law' is highlighting significant challenges for courts in adjudicating disputes."

No, he didn't miss it.

Monckton is grandstanding and time wasting. O he wants to cherry pick from discussions so he can libel eminent jurists.

Catmando said...

On that, Monckton can't even form a consensus with himself.

Catmando said...

Twice in his open letter Monckton demands that the court tells him of Lord Carnwath attended this conference. If he had read an article at World News Daily published 11 October, he would have seen that Lord Carnwath was in attendance, according to the author of that piece.

Weirdly, the author at WND who confirms what Lord Monckton doesn't know is... lord Monckton. What a pollock the man is.

Catmando said...

Link to WND (archived)

https://archive.is/3kzHN

Sou said...

Right underneath the dire warning of the end of the world and chaos and anarchy in the streets with the blood moon. Very fitting.

Victor Venema said...

Seriously? It's less than six weeks to Paris, and all Anthony Watts has is years' old denier memes of wrong CO2 measurements, and a hysterical (I'm not exaggerating) article from the potty peer?

Anthony Watts would claim this is proof he is not paid by Big Coal.

It is also the reason they do not pay him, but rather pay for newspaper articles and bribe politicians.

Magma said...

At 57 and apparently not financially well-off, Watts probably has little alternative but to stay on the increasingly stupid donkey he rode into town on.

(With apologies to actual donkeys, those humble, hard-working beasts.)

Magma said...

Just one excerpt from Christopher Monckton's FOI request:

"However, there remains the probability that the event did not take place and that the YouTube record of it, together with various web links and documents about it, are fake."

Although I suppose that would be child's play for a global cabal that has been changing temperature records, not to mention melting polar ice and raising the seas.

The very first comment on WUWT, by one LarryFine: "I’m glad he’s on our side."

Indeed that is something we can all agree on.

Now, it may just be my suspicious mind, but Larry Fine was the real name of one of the original Three Stooges... yes, the Larry of Larry, Curly and Moe.

Raymond Arritt said...

It's WorldNetDaily, not World News Daily. In fact the formal name is now WND (like Kentucky Fried Chicken became KFC).

Wikipedia's article on WND is weak. The Rationalwiki article is more informative: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/WorldNetDaily

Rattus Norvegicus said...

All you need to know about the right wing nut job site WND is that its nickname is World Nut Daily.

bill said...

Wing Nut Daily, surely? ;-)

Cugel said...

An appropriate time for Bickmore's Laws of Monckton, I think

" Bickmore’s First Law of Monckton: For every person who publicly endorses Lord Monckton’s climate pronouncements for merely irrational reasons, there exists a threshold in Monckton’s behavior which, if crossed, will cause said person to regret their association.

Bickmore’s Second Law of Monckton: Any behavioral threshold posited by Bickmore’s First Law of Monckton will eventually be crossed by Lord Monckton."

https://bbickmore.wordpress.com/2013/02/13/the-monckton-files-bickmores-first-and-second-laws-of-monckton/